EVE General Discussion

Well, people are more prone to voicing their opinion when they are dissatisfied with something than when they are content with something. So if you mean to say that there are more people complaining about EVE being too "non-carebear-friendly" than there are people stating they are more or less cool with the current level of restrictions, I'm not sure that's necessarily a good indicator.

I imagine most people willing to pay for this game do so because they like it (enough) for what it is, not what it may or may not become at some point, especially considering that EVE didn't exactly come out recently. Any considerable change to the balance of things carries a risk of alienating at least some portion of the player base. Naturally, in the long term it can be used to target a different and possibly wider audience. Would this be a smart move for CCP?

Let's even assume that they care a lot more about their profits than their "creative vision". One of, if not the main selling point of EVE is that it provides a fairly unique experience; and a large part of that uniqueness is the degree of freedom it provides, in the sense that the conditions of the game world are largely shaped through player involvement and interaction rather than dictated by game mechanics. Making it more mainstream weakens that selling point. It could mean larger potential audience, but also larger competition. More players willing to give the game a try? Perhaps. Many of those willing to stick with EVE when the next major mainstream MMORPG comes along? Not really. Will most of the players who play this game because it offers the degree of freedom most other games do not quit if it stops doing that? Definitely. But I'm sure this point has already been made once or twice.

The only and I mean only way to incorporate a zero risk high sec space is starter areas. Stations with no market other than npc seeded items that can only be bought from npcs, missions level 1 - 2 spawning even from outside agents, tutorials, and events, than perhaps trading would become large. Proposing this idea anywhere outside of this is effectively enacting a "New Game Enhancement".

Making perfect high sec doesn't have to directly affect anyone for it to kill off EVE. One of the biggest selling points EVE has is non consensual PvP and being a very dangerous and hardcore game. Taking away PvP in high sec wouldn't do anything to most players but they would think hmm this game is now too boring, I'll go play something else.

Take away the player vs player interactions and you'll find that EVE is a horrible, horrible game that no one would play for $15/month.

Except Destiny Corrupted's post seems to be written as though there would also be no high sec wars. But in the OP's post is this statement:

"I mean no pvp of any type and you were completely unable to harm another player while in hi sec unless there was an active war between your corps."

So the question is: What would it be like if you were safe except for war? I also think the OP is only considering PvP Space Combat, not all the other forms of PvP in the game. After all how could there be a non-pvp market except for war?

High sec should be renamed standard sec. Because generally i feel safe in any place labeled high security...

Then they should try X³. If they don't want to dodge people trying to kill them, then no, they do not want to play EVE.

Exactly. So making arbitrary restrictions such as not being able to blow people up doesn't make any sense.

actually, you are playing the wrong game. There is a game with no safety zones, full loot and it actually takes player skill to play it. Its called Darkfall and I'm sure 95% of these chest thumping EVE "pvpers" couldn't handle that game. I play that game for my pvp fix, the pvp in EVE, by comparison, is just a skilless joke. There are sandboxes that dont allow douchebag activity, EVE is becomming one. Change is inevitable and EVE is becomming less and less a haven for the awful "pvper" who has gotten **** on in every other pvp game. see my sig. Your fearful tears are delicious.

Got rid of a few trolling and personal attack comments. Please keep this civil, guys

I find your signature quite ironic, don't want to play with "belligerent undesirables" & "cowardly douches"? I suggest that you find another game, without them Hisec would become boring, Eve is all about conflict so maybe it's not the game for you.

The driving force of the in game economy is a symbiosis of destruction and creation, an economy without any destruction in hisec would fail within months, if nobody is exploding who will buy the ships & munitions that industrialists produce?.

Making hisec a totally safe utopia may well make the Uber Carebears happy, however if highsec becomes a totally safe utopia it should also mean no hisec belts, no hisec manufacturing, no market, no agents above level 2 etc as these are all forms of PvP whether you like it or not. As a perfect utopia with no conflict hisec would become a content desert and in the case of Eve, 90% of the content in hisec is provided by players, especially the ones that you consider to be "cowardly douchebags".

Quoted for Holy Truth. DFO is what EvE should have been, plus it's twitchy and bloody. Full loot including your money is always at stake and you also lose all to random NPCs. And those NPCs unlike EvE, are REALLY nasty, they group, they call each other, they hear you and set up guards on top of trees and all that sort of stuff. And no, they don't sit in some pockets like silly sheep, they are all around.