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Maximizing ISK in Ratting
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Doomhammar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-11-24 18:19:23 UTC
You've heard it before, you'll hear it again, but most topics is abit old for me.

In Angel region, what's the best way to Rat and Maximize ISK/per hour?
Julius Priscus
#2 - 2012-11-25 04:51:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Julius Priscus
Doomhammar wrote:
You've heard it before, you'll hear it again, but most topics is abit old for me.

In Angel region, what's the best way to Rat and Maximize ISK/per hour?


3 accounts all flying carriers doing forsaken hubs. when done wait for them to re-spawn and repeat till bored.

or if single account.

forsaken hubs.. mach plus matar sentry drones. with decent skills should get around 35m isk per tick
traderjohn 123
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-11-26 12:30:58 UTC
Please tell me how you get 35m per 20 mins?

Im in mach with 3x gyro and 7x 800mm. Didn't use bouncers last time i tried, but i only get like 20mill per 20 min

Please enlighten me! ;)
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#4 - 2012-11-26 14:23:04 UTC
traderjohn 123 wrote:
Please tell me how you get 35m per 20 mins?

Im in mach with 3x gyro and 7x 800mm. Didn't use bouncers last time i tried, but i only get like 20mill per 20 min

Please enlighten me! ;)


You're doing something really wrong there. i've used a Mach against every single race of rat and even doing forsaken rally points (in systems with no or very few forsaken hubs) I get 30 mil a tick minimum. Even from Guristas and Sanshas where you have to use phased plasma (because minmatar guns don't have a short ranged kinetic heavy ammo type).

I use 4 faction gyrostabs, a tech 2 RoF rig, +3 hardwirings and 3x tracking enhancers. But even without all that I was still killing stuff quick with the mach. How are your gun and battleship skills?

And I NEVER use drones, lights and mediums are fairly useless, heavies are too slow and I always end up flying away from my sentries. If you do a time trial you'll find that unbonused drones on a gun boat don't increase isk/hr any significant amount in anomalies while being an added pain in the rear to keep alive. If I know I'm going to be in anoms with frigs, I just put a web on my mach and kill them with guns.
Julius Priscus
#5 - 2012-11-26 14:24:07 UTC
doing ONLY forsaken hubs with sentry drones. 1st hub only pays out x amount. 2nd one is where the big isk hits. and so on.

why forsaken hubs??? no frigs to scramble your sorry ass.
just battleships and cruisers/bc's
and why sentries?? simple instant damage like guns. no drone shaving to chase npc's around on grid..

enjoy.
traderjohn 123
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-11-26 15:25:19 UTC  |  Edited by: traderjohn 123
I got both bs skills 5 and all gunnery **** 5 except large autocannon spec which is 4.

This is my fit. (forsaken hub)

I normally orbit at around 20-30 km.

[Machariel, New Setup 1]
Domination Gyrostabilizer
Domination Gyrostabilizer
Domination Gyrostabilizer
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Domination X-Large Shield Booster
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Gist X-Type Explosive Deflection Field
100MN Afterburner II

800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Bouncer II x4
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#7 - 2012-11-26 15:31:35 UTC
I have been able to get around 30mil/tick in Serpentis space with HAM tengu which does around 950dps. Forsaken hubs ofc.

A Machariel does far more DPS and is fliping outstanding for killing angels, 35mil a tick is possible with a proper fit, paying attention and lvl5 skills + implants.
traderjohn 123
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-11-26 15:39:25 UTC
I just want to learn what I'm doing wrong so i can fix it! :)
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#9 - 2012-11-26 17:13:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
traderjohn 123 wrote:


I normally orbit at around 20-30 km.


Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II


800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L



Found some of your problems. Mach with Auto-cannons is a close range in your face slaughter machine. Only 2 tracking enhancers AND orbiting to far away means your bleeding of way too much dps. and are you going to cap stability or something with all the cap mods and rigs?

What I do is on warp in to forsaken hub, I kill a cruiser, then approach the wreck while shooting the rest of the 1st spawn. Sitting on that wreck means the following spawns appear 2-5km from me at worst, and my mighty auto cannons shred them before they can even cry out in their weird Angel language (which sounds a lot liek Italian to me for some reason LOL).

You need to kill the battleship rats that do EM damage quickly of course (saraphims?, can't remember, I'm not at home right now), but otherwise a good burst tank is all you need.

my fit is:

Highs
7x 800mms + 1x autotargeting system (auto-target just so i can get 10 targets)

Mids
1x faction or deadpsace XL booster
3x hardeners or 2x hards + 1x boost amp
1x cap recharger (if you dont mind carrying the charges, cap booster is GREAT here)

lows
4x faction gyros
3x Tracking enhancer IIs

Rigs
1x Tech 2 RoF rig (Burst Aerorator or however you spell it)
1x Tech 1 EM Shield Rig (EM because the mach has enough explosive shield resistance

I carry light drones but don't use them and I use faction ammo because the expenses is worth shaving off time on anoms thus getting escalation/faction BS chances more often.

Hope this helps.
Kuro Bon
Test Corp 123
#10 - 2012-11-26 17:25:01 UTC
traderjohn 123 wrote:
Please tell me how you get 35m per 20 mins?

Im in mach with 3x gyro and 7x 800mm. Didn't use bouncers last time i tried, but i only get like 20mill per 20 min

Please enlighten me! ;)


35m per 20 minutes is about $3 per hour. Hmm.

Protip: 100M ISK per hour is about $3US an hour.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#11 - 2012-11-26 17:43:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Kuro Bon wrote:
traderjohn 123 wrote:
Please tell me how you get 35m per 20 mins?

Im in mach with 3x gyro and 7x 800mm. Didn't use bouncers last time i tried, but i only get like 20mill per 20 min

Please enlighten me! ;)


35m per 20 minutes is about $3 per hour. Hmm.


$3 at home drinking beer and talking to friends on comms while shooting red boxes vs overtime pay at work stone sober dealing with crackheads and my Lieutenant who is almost as mean as a crackhead.

I'll take the $3 please.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-11-26 17:49:17 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kuro Bon wrote:
traderjohn 123 wrote:
Please tell me how you get 35m per 20 mins?

Im in mach with 3x gyro and 7x 800mm. Didn't use bouncers last time i tried, but i only get like 20mill per 20 min

Please enlighten me! ;)


35m per 20 minutes is about $3 per hour. Hmm.


$3 at home drinking beer and talking to friends on comms while shooting red boxes vs overtime pay at work stone sober dealing with crackheads and my Lieutenant who is almost as mean as a crackhead.

I'll take the $3 please.

your beer will cost you more than 3$ an hour unless you're doing it wrong™.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#13 - 2012-11-26 18:32:21 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kuro Bon wrote:
traderjohn 123 wrote:
Please tell me how you get 35m per 20 mins?

Im in mach with 3x gyro and 7x 800mm. Didn't use bouncers last time i tried, but i only get like 20mill per 20 min

Please enlighten me! ;)


35m per 20 minutes is about $3 per hour. Hmm.


$3 at home drinking beer and talking to friends on comms while shooting red boxes vs overtime pay at work stone sober dealing with crackheads and my Lieutenant who is almost as mean as a crackhead.

I'll take the $3 please.

your beer will cost you more than 3$ an hour unless you're doing it wrong™.



Cost of doing business *BURP*.
Julius Priscus
#14 - 2012-11-26 23:53:19 UTC
traderjohn 123 wrote:
I got both bs skills 5 and all gunnery **** 5 except large autocannon spec which is 4.

This is my fit. (forsaken hub)

I normally orbit at around 20-30 km.

[Machariel, New Setup 1]
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II


Cap power relays do NOT belong on any active shield boosting ship.
Doomhammar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-11-27 17:39:42 UTC
Gibbo3771 wrote:
I have been able to get around 30mil/tick in Serpentis space with HAM tengu which does around 950dps. Forsaken hubs ofc.

A Machariel does far more DPS and is fliping outstanding for killing angels, 35mil a tick is possible with a proper fit, paying attention and lvl5 skills + implants.


950say what??? How?
Post fit plz.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-11-27 18:14:22 UTC
Doomhammar wrote:
Gibbo3771 wrote:
I have been able to get around 30mil/tick in Serpentis space with HAM tengu which does around 950dps. Forsaken hubs ofc.

A Machariel does far more DPS and is fliping outstanding for killing angels, 35mil a tick is possible with a proper fit, paying attention and lvl5 skills + implants.


950say what??? How?
Post fit plz.

he probably did not check the 'factor in reload time' checkbox in his eft.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Lilan Kahn
The Littlest Hobos
The Whale Hunters Association
#17 - 2012-11-27 22:44:59 UTC
Golem torpedos ring sanctums.
garillar
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-11-28 13:58:38 UTC
HAM Tengu + 5 allecated fighters + forsaken hubs = 35 mill ticks and sexy time...BOSHHHH!!!
Julius Priscus
#19 - 2012-11-28 14:00:26 UTC
garillar wrote:
HAM Tengu + 5 allecated fighters + forsaken hubs = 35 mill ticks and sexy time...BOSHHHH!!!

lol if you HAVE to use fighters then mach will still beat you.
BlackPyroStorm
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-11-30 12:37:27 UTC
garillar wrote:
HAM Tengu + 5 allecated fighters + forsaken hubs = 35 mill ticks and sexy time...BOSHHHH!!!


but that is still using 2 characters. why not just put that carrier alt into a Battle ship and you'll make even more
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