EVE General Discussion

Because if a person dislikes the idea of a game world shaped by player involvement and interaction rather than game mechanics, they should go back to WoW.

Might be worth it, if it's more than an even trade, to be honest. It's like Mr.Burns said "I'm a very rich man, but I would give it all away for just a little bit more."

If they lost all current subscribers (which won't happen, people are lemmings, they will moan and complain but still stick around, at worst I'm thinking 30% drop) and in the same patch attract a few hundred thousand new people? More than an even trade.

The game stalled. They need something major to keep going.

Guess what? They did! Which is why WoW has 10+ million paying subscribers, and EVE has 450k.

Now, think about it. If EVE was indeed a sandbox, as advertised, shouldn't it allow everyone to play the way they want to? They could make high sec for carebears, low for undecided, null for SoV/blob junkies, and WH for raving maniacs. If you want a WH experience without local, go to WHs! Tada, problem solved.

Ah, ship loss and economy. Right. Well, it's solvable. All they need to do is make AI semi-decent, so that ship loss in PvE occurs more frequently due to player error. That way, all the carebears will be routinely losing ships in PvE, which currently almost never happens. And economy won't suffer one iota.

And imagine what CCP could do if their player base tripled or quadrupled, and their income grew accordingly? They could hire more people, add WAY more content with each expansion. Imagine how GREAT it would be for EVE!

I don't know, man. "Go back to WoW" is a nice sentiment and all. But when EVE has 450k players total, including all the alts, and other MMOs have 400-1000k concurrent users? It could do better.

Such ecstasy must truly be a dream...My dream lol.

I find it hard to believe such a person exists.

And on the subject of WoW players, you remember those losers who go back to the starting zones to kill low level players when they reach the level cap? They may not be very highly regarded in the WoW community, but they find a home here, where people think that sort of thing is amazing.

You just contradicted yourself.



Good point, that is the point of Eve.

Imagine a player, not necessarily yourself who wants to actually attack other players and to take on piracy as a career of choice...



...then you tell us that person can't do that.


So which is it? Is it a sandbox where a player can do what he want or isn't it?


You then go about subscriber numbers trying to show that because WoW has umpteen dozen times more players than Eve then it must be doing something right.

Yes, it must be doing something right, but that necessarily the better game?


Look at, for example the music industry. We know that better isn't always more. I saw Albert Lee the other month in a North Wales art house perform. He's one of the world's finest guitarists and he played to an audience of two hundred. Gorden Giltrap, a very fine player, recently played a small art gallery just a few miles down the coast. The last time I saw Rory Gallagher was in a village hall in the middle of nowhere in Belgium for an audicnce of about fifty people.

Where were the thousands of screaming kids, the mp3 download junkies, the cameras, the X-Factor fashionistas? Nowhere, because like in all walks of life, the best is never the most popular.

If the yardstick for 'the best' were the most popular then the 'best' food on the planet would be that McDonalds half pre-digested mulch, the 'best' coffee would be reheated tramp's vomit from Starbucks, the 'best' music would be talentless oafs banging on about hoes and other acrigultural implements and their vocals refined by AutoTune before being compressed for mp3 digestion in the Loudness Wars. The 'best' beers would be dull lifeless pasteruirsed nitrofizz rather than something living and with taste.

And the 'best' MMOs would be WoW and not Eve.

Thank Jove I don't live in a world of your design.

Glad you're having fun!

I really can't type what I want to because I'd get perma-banned, and not the good icleandic rap group kind either.

But I will say this, stop projecting or pretending you know what I think, I TELL you what I think and it has nothing to do with stopping anyone from doing anything.

Please post a link to the thread where i've ever said people should not mine or manufacture or whatever. You can't because I never have, hell if you'd bother to visit the missions section of these forums you know I'm atleast 75% pve myself i'd have to stop shooting red boxes for a (in-game) living before I could tell someone else to.

no, when i say "carebear", i mean the squishy minded malcontents who choose to play this MMO like a single player game, who demand safety in a non-consensual pvp environment and who want happy happy sunshine in a game created by Icelandic Psychos

In other words, folks like you. If you think my (or YOUR) opinion about things have any affect on anything, you simply need to get over yourself.

Tom Gerard always has fun

That's not a contradiction. If hi-sec was made safe, it gives carebears a place where they can play the way they want. Someone who wants to gank people and have a career in piracy, CAN do it! Just not in hi-sec. That's what low, null and WHs are for.

You see, what you want is to have the ganker preference to override everyone else's. That's not sandbox, that's a ganker game. A sandbox is where all facets of gameplay are viable and protected. Genkers' right to gank is protected too, just outside of hisec, and carebears' rights should be protected as well, but only inside hisec.

There's no contradiction here. There never was.

Heck, if you think safe hi-sec is a contradiction, how do you feel about stations then? I can dock in a station in low-sec and be absolutely 100% protected from all aggression! I can talk trash, spin my ship and do all the fun stuff. And you can't touch me. That should be a contradiction for you as well. And yet, it's one we lived with for over 9 years now in this game.



Uhh, yes? It's quite simple, really. CCP is a business. They're in business to make money. They did not make EVE for your personal entertainment or as a boon to all mankind. They made it to make money off of it. And you make more money from 10 million subscribers than from 450k subscribers.

And as a general rule, an inferior game does not have 20x more subscribers than a superior one. You may disagree with the definition of superior and inferior in this case, but it doesn't matter what you or I individually think. It's all about overall player numbers. What the majority of players want.

So, on part of CCP, they made a conscious choice - they focused on a niche population and catered to them. Trouble is, that niche population is tapped out. There aren't any more spaceship psychos out there to attract. The game reached its logical conclusion. Now they need to try something new, either in form of WiS gameplay, or changes to the game world, or, ideally, both.



What was their objective? To play good music well, or to make money? If it's the latter, they failed. Miserably. Because some talentless twinkie can shake her butt in a revealing outfit and rake in, in one night, more than they make in a year. Again, depends on your objective.

But aside from all that, what really bothers me is this assumption so many folks make that this stuff will somehow destroy the game. How would doubling or tripling EVE's population be bad?! Even if only half of those people stick around, that's more than EVE made in the past 5 years. And if of all those people even 20% move out of hi-sec, you'll see a huge influx of new viable targets. How is that bad? It can't be bad.

See, this is the whole point of WoW - they did not turn anyone away! NEVER will you see, in WoW forum, people saying "Go back to EVE!" Just like you won't catch a teller at MacDonald's telling people to go to Wendy's. It's asinine to turn customers away. Instead, the developers tried to cater to everyone. Extreme carebear? PvE server that way. Moderate? PvP server. Is RP your think? Choose PvE-RP or PvP-RP. Hardcore PvPer? Arenas are over there, knock yourself out. Casual PvP? Battlegrounds that-a-way. PvE is your thing? We have dungeons. Casual? Small dungeons. Hardcore? 40 man raids! Etc., etc. Something for everyone. Nobody turned away. That's why WoW the way it is. And why is EVE the way it is? Because the moment someone suggests something outside your comfort zone, you yell "Go back to WoW!" And 5 mins later complain you don't have enough targets.