Wormholes

invade farming systems, teach newbies about wh's so we can get more people in. problem solved

First off, I apologize to you Wolvun, as well as Future Corps, for implying that one person's opinion was the entire corps' opinion.......I didn't make it clear when I should have, that I was speaking directly to Treeati H.

You are also correct that I wasn't there for both of the fights I listed, and therefore I don't know the full story. I chose those two fights solely based on, those were the only two fights he was involved with with Future Corps (that I found). Prior to that it appears his experience mainly was in nullsec, with a short stint in Taggart's.

I am fully aware that many of the large entities, as well as quite a few of the smaller corps/alliances will actively hunt targets. I do. And if the targets are not aware of their surroundings, they will get popped....as they should. What I got from the OP was that he may have gotten frustrated because some of the targets were aware of what was happening around them and POS'd up. Can they be blamed? Again, no offense meant to the larger entities, which includes Sleeper Social Club, but I certainly make myself invisible when these alliances connect.........because I can't even put up a fight 1v "that many", much less have a chance at a single kill before going pop myself.

My point with my question to the OP is simple...... if you want a good fight...... bring a good fight and not a straight up massacre.

Two weeks ago we had VOLTA in our wh......we did a crappy job at camping the highsec. They came back with even numbers, HACs and BC's as the largest ships........and handily chased us out. Was fun while it lasted, and we learned a couple lessons.


Edit: Hehehe in the time it took for me to write this response several more posts were written, which I read. After looking at the C5 connection and the inhabitants of said C5, I see now what you mean by a possible "farming" corp. A 12 member corp with some sleeper kills about 10-12 hours ago. If TL doesn't collapse that connection doing HS runs, I may do some hunting myself.

OP seems to forget that not everyone in uknown space is a farmer. We are a small BC gang formed mostly by new players like me that are starting to learn how to live here. Currently we live in a C1 but we won't stop here because we are enjoying our new home.

And since you don't like to respond alts don't bother with me. I don't like either to talk with people who hide behind big blobs but i made an exception.

This exchange is over.

@OP

If you're trying to keep the price of wormhole loot high, doesn't that make you a farmer too?



The big wormhole groups who are worth their salt like to train others to do what they love so much. OP clearly wants all the wormhole farming for himself..

Training others to compete against you doing something you love is not counter-productive if you retain YOUR skills. It only adds more depth and excitement to something you love. If you try to prevent other players from living in wormholes and even learning about them, what you end up with is stagnant farming of established blocks.

You don't want "gud fites" you want to farm forever without new corps snapping at your heels. If you wanted fights you wouldn't care about 10% reduction in Melted Nano Ribbon prices.

Obvious motive is obvious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chCCfdWPUzQ&list=LLDgxpHbIDr1fSuUVr9ZTL3Q&feature=mh_lolz


Well, it's nice someone fraps it.

Everyone has a different definition of a "gud fite". This doesn't meet my definition, but maybe it's what you are looking for.

We had a little action, lost some ships, and then formed up a proper fleet. As the vid shows we were about even and were on the road to a "gud fite", but then the "other fleet" landed. We had everyone online flying a dps or logi, and you had more. Not a surprising outcome.

I can't really blame you, it's not like you can tell all of your guys to wait while you have a fight. Now I can't really say I had fun, and I doubt we'd do it again though. It's just the way it goes.

If you want gud fites you have to work for them. Maybe ship down when you have you opponent out matched, or fight out matched yourself. Set up a bait tower and catch a fleet bashing it. Reinforce someone's pocos or something. You can't just roll holes and have a magically equal gang appear that you can give as good as you get with.


As for isk, well I don't know what to tell you. This not even year old pilot makes enough gassing, and running sites to pay for a couple of accounts and ships to lose every month without really ever feeling like he is working for it.

As for farmers, I see enough of them being kicked out, and understand that if a "big enough" group needs to be removed people will find a way. Maybe make a low skilled bomber pilot and leave it in a hole for a week or two? I know someone who does this and has a great time griefing people who won't come and fight at all.

You have absolutely no way of knowing who does what with their ISK, unless they are giving it to you.

This is basically a bunch of people (or just the OP) throwing a hissy fit because people wont give them risk-free kill mails. You don't get to tell people how they should fight. You can evict them if you have the means, but crying on the forums about people not throwing their ships at you in fights they have no way of winning seems very childish.

Stop trying to pretend that this is about "saving the ISK!" when it is 100% a temper tantrum about people not giving you what you want.

Even the blue loot fact aside (omg, logic, get out of my thread! ), op is highly ironic.

I do like getting fights in w-space, but you know how 49% of possible w-space fights go: Everyone sits on his side of the wormhole, wanting their home advantage, after 2 hours of nothing happening one side collapses. The other 49% are people realizing they can't take on 20 T3s, a triage archon and 2 dreads who then just hug their POSes. The remaining 2% are somewhat fair fights.

A very high majority of w-space fights are just ganks. And I love ganks. If carebears carebear too much, then ******* kill them, or do sites yourself.

You do realize that if everyone was only in WHs for PVP, you would lose your carebearing fleets over and over and over again and no one would even farm enough for cheap T3s? I don't mind PVP, but I also don't mind people making ISK like anywhere else in this game, I also don't mind 500m T3s.

Also stop waiting for PVP to come at you. There's plenty of ways to find PVP.

Do it like Exhale and invade.
Do it like RNK and just be awesome.
Do it like VoC and roam null.

If you want PVP and don't like carebears, then kick carebears out. Actual carebears won't realize that you are bringing in multiple caps over days, they won't play hole control. Just please stop complaining about an issue that is none.

I love this thread already it has such trolling promise!

Personally I love teaching people about wormholes and then looting the field after them. Just saying.

You too will be spacerich some day FNG.

essentially +1 what jack has said.

When I started in WH's ( with Future Corps i might add ) nano prices were at where they are now. Prices are fluctuating not simply because of farmers, but many other outside influences, shifts in nullsec doctrines, fall away from summer slump so more people are active again, producing more ribbons! it's not just the farmers pve'ing more you know :) i've gotta pay for my t3's somehow.

If you honestly believe that ribbons are the mainstay of high end wh income too, i believe you need to go back to the wiki also ;) i wonder if my guides are still on there...

I'm whole heartedly against the idea you propose because i'm too used to rolling into empty systems, while their ability to be almost 100% safe at the minute is frustrating, it is being addressed on december 4th. put away the violin and be patient, you should be used to that living in a WH anyway surely ^^. I'm uncertain if the following is true also, but isn't there something about not being able to SD inside POS shields?

If both of the above points are the case, then a) they cant SD their **** when you corner them and B) if you're worth your salt you'll be able to catch the ******* in about 1 week.

Be patient or deal with it, removing people from one of the more sparsely populated niches of the game will not enrich our gameplay, but detract from it.

p.s HAI GAIS

Check out the devblog about The New and Improved Crimewatch

Specifically this:

"PVP Flag: This flag is activated when one player uses offensive modules against another. The initiator of the action will get a PVP flag. If the recipient is a piloted ship, then the owner of this ship will also get a PVP flag. Having this flag will prevent a ship from being removed from space if the pilot logs off. This flag functions in all areas of space."

and;

"NPC Flag: This flag is activated when a player uses offensive modules against an NPC (or vice-versa). Having this flag will prevent a ship from being removed from space if the pilot logs off. This flag functions in all areas of space."

Admittedly tho, I haven't read all the comments and any other proposals within, yet.