EVE General Discussion

We'd just adapt with out highsec. Sure, it would be difficult & strange at first, but the one thing we've always been able to do is adapt.

Remember the question was "Whats the effect of no high sec PvP except for wars" In other words, what would be the effect on the game if suicide ganking was removed?

To answer the question on how this would effect the economy, we need to know the proportion of destruction that occurs due to suicide ganking. If only 1% of everything made in the game is destroyed by suicide ganking, the the effect on the economy will be tiny. If its like 25% then the effect would be large.

I suspect the number is small. Many things made never die to a suicide gank: Capital ships, and supercaps. Some things rarely die: POSes and their arrays (only if they are cargo), and Battleships.

If CCP would chime in with the % of losses that occur due to criminal activity, we would know.

Another effect is anyone that wants to avoid PvP could do so completely by being in an NPC corp. Their ranks would grow. Note this group includes players who just do not enjoy PvP combat, and those who do like PvP, but want to hide their ISK making activities from their enemies.

high sec can mean perfect security, no reason it can't. Its a sandbox game. If you want a game with no safety zones, go play darkfall and quit crying.

By "true" you mean through and "ones" you mean once. Also economy would be the word you're looking for in place of "economie". And thick would be a better word to use in place of "big". Just trying to help.

The cargo argument isn't reliable. There are many players who will take a net loss in exchange for a nice killmail. It applies in regards to some but not all.

Do you realize how rare this is?


You should read the second reply to this thread then (Destiny Corrupted's post).

I might quit EVE if that happened. Otherwise, I think a lot of Highsec would move to Lowsec, which would probably be much like Highsec is now. Null would be most like divided into real Lowsec and Highsec, with Lowsec being the NPC space.

Strangely enough, that was actually a Freudian slip; I meant say Null.

That's why I included the fitting part, though I guess I should have included ship-type, too since there's so many ridiculously expensive ships out there now. But safety in Highsec follows the same principle as low or even null: keep a low profile, expose yourself as little as possible and avoid looking like a target.

I've already suggested this. Islands of 1.0 with enhanced Concord and local police around the new player areas. Not because I would like to see it personally, but in an effort to keep more new players in the game.
You can't keep losing players and expect the game to continue. A 25% reduction in active players over the last two years should concern you. (Source: Eve-offline.net)

The issue with that, is the players already have their protected zones; not enforced by Concord, but by policy. Despite that, any new player can leave those zones and start a Corp and be Wardecced, infiltrated, or any number of other things and still lose interest in the game.

New player retention relies on one thing: Success.

Any new player needs to feel successful, in their first month, first 3 months, or as long as needed for them to gain a solid understanding of game mechanics and a decent amount of skill training. Nobody is going to stick around if they don't meet that need, and EVE being what it is, many never do.

Long term players often have no sympathy for this, and likely never will.

CCP needs to introduce a means of being successful early on; something which can help a new player to elevate their status and achieve a set of goals in early gameplay without it being handed to them. This needs to be a means with long term capability, structural progression, and real perceived effect on their gaming environment. An accomplishment, and a lasting one.

Tutorials do not fill this role. Missions are slow and painful to get off the ground for most new players, and even older players. Industry as regards manufacturing modules and ships is too competitive. Mining effectively takes players down a limited skill path best left to alts in most cases, and affords little initial incentive with regard to return. PI is limited and uninteresting beyond looking at the planets surface.

Basically, EVE doesn't have anything for new players to keep them interested aside from perhaps blowing up ships in a Corp or Alliance with a ship replacement program. That doesn't even consider the scams, ganks, Wardecs and other PvP obstacles in a new players path. Those are trivial compared to the inability to succeed on a personal level.

Find a way to give new players a means to generate ISK with limited competition in their starting systems or other places, and maybe they might stick around for awhile. Something to tide them over and keep them playing through early skill training and learning game mechanics and player dynamics.

Basically, they need a mini-game; sort of like PI, but with a lower entrance requirement and more interactive means of playing it. Something in which continued play generates ISK passively and actively, with more ISK generated during active periods and the ability to earn ISK faster with practice.

There should actually be a few different ways of doing this, and they should fit into lore somehow. Obviously, the ISK needs to be player market dependent, relying on production of minerals or some kind of composite material made from them. Perhaps something for Dust players to use, but not a final product, though further steps can make it one.

Not saying all new players need this, but I think a number of players who might not otherwise stick around beyond the first complicated day would benefit. Also, players who are just hanging around could benefit by having something amusing to do.

A sort of mini empire. Something which doesn't have a great impact on EVE as a whole, but attaches some importance to every character and makes them seem bigger somehow. More important.

I think that would help greatly with new player retention. Give them the ability to own something, to make something, to name it, build it, and have it remain as an accomplishment throughout there game. Something that can't be destroyed.. yet.