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If CCP wants to increase retention numbers...

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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-11-25 14:57:00 UTC
... get rid of buddy invite program where for the price of one PLEX, we can get 51 days on a new account and 30 days on our current account.

It is my experience that 75+% of "new players" are really just vets on alts. You don't have to be in a conversation with a "new player" very long before they slip up and use common EVE terminology or in some other way show that they are not really a new player.

SO, even if the "real" retention rates are close to 50%, it will show up in CCP data as 90% of new accounts drop after 51 days.... (21 day trial and 30 days they paid for, to actually get the 30 days on their main).
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-11-25 14:59:58 UTC
Another quality NPC alt post.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#3 - 2012-11-25 15:07:47 UTC
AFAIK CCP have already nerfed this, it is rumoured that PLEX is no longer a viable activation method for an inviter to get a free PLEX.

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Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-11-25 15:11:47 UTC
That suggestion will do nothing for new player retention. All it will do is reduce the number of alt accounts by old players making use of the buddy system, and reduce the number of new people coming into the game (they would only get 21 days free and then have to pay, with no benefit to the guy who invited them, who should in all honesty give them the PLEX anyway, or at least split it). Besides, didn't they already remove the restriction on how many buddy invites you can send and removed the free PLEX as reward if they sub? I seem to have heard something like that not too long ago.

Besides, I don't believe anything they do will attract new players or help retention in any considerable amount. I mean, look at upcoming expansion. Crimewatch, bounties, rebalance, new AI. Imagine yourself as a totally new player, never played EVE. Do any of these have any meaning to you? The answer is no. None of this is attractive to a new player. Now, imagine yourself as a new-ish player, you tried EVE at one point, but didn't really like it, so you quit after your trial expired. Do any of these things call you back to the game? Again, not really. The AI might, if you thought the PvE was boring. Except the AI change is so minor that it will still be just as boring, with a new healthy dose of aggravation mixed in. So, where's the carrot?

That's the thing CCP needs to focus on. Things that will attract new players, or players who tried EVE but didn't click. And no, new tutorials are NOT going to cut it. Nobody ever came into an MMO for the gameplay but stayed because the tutorial was just so darn awesome.

What they need is something massive to shake up the whole system. To make everyone, from total noobs who never tried EVE to bitter vets that quit ages ago go "Whoa, I gotta try that!" AND, and this is a biggie, it has to work, and work properly, at launch. Not be iterated over months or years. It has to work right out of the gate with minimal bugs. If they do that, we'd see a spike in subs. But rehashing old content, no matter how much it is needed (and it IS needed, I totally agree), will not bring new players in, or help to keep them.
Ghazu
#5 - 2012-11-25 15:35:35 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=175602&find=unread
Connect the dots.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
ISD TYPE40
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-11-25 16:33:04 UTC
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#7 - 2012-11-25 16:48:55 UTC
CCP knows by IP and email addresses just exactly who is and is not a 'real' new player for thier metrics.

This is a hare-brained OP post indeed.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
General Nusense
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-11-25 18:00:09 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Another quality NPC alt post.



There is nothing wrong posting with NPC alts, actually its funny watching you guys get all butt hurt about it, which you do. So in closing I will add a U MAD?

Made a signature so I am taken seriously on the forums, since thats the only thing they are good for.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#9 - 2012-11-25 18:03:50 UTC
So increasing costs for new accounts and making invites less effective increases retention numbers… how, exactly?
YoYo NickyYo
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-11-25 19:05:59 UTC
Tippia wrote:
So increasing costs for new accounts and making invites less effective increases retention numbers… how, exactly?



Explanations cost extra......


I am not, nor will I ever be...Nicky Yo.... The question you should ask is.....When will they release the NICKY!
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-11-25 19:07:44 UTC
CCP I HAVE FIGURED OUT SUCCES FOR U JUST MAKE LESS MONEY DUMMYS im out

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#12 - 2012-11-25 19:36:51 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
... get rid of buddy invite program where for the price of one PLEX, we can get 51 days on a new account and 30 days on our current account.

It is my experience that 75+% of "new players" are really just vets on alts. You don't have to be in a conversation with a "new player" very long before they slip up and use common EVE terminology or in some other way show that they are not really a new player.

SO, even if the "real" retention rates are close to 50%, it will show up in CCP data as 90% of new accounts drop after 51 days.... (21 day trial and 30 days they paid for, to actually get the 30 days on their main).


How will this increase the number of new players?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#13 - 2012-11-25 19:44:23 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Another quality NPC alt post.


Check your Employment history. It's called EVE by default.
Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-11-25 19:44:45 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
CCP knows by IP and email addresses just exactly who is and is not a 'real' new player for thier metrics.

This is a hare-brained OP post indeed.


That's not always true. Some people have dynamic IP, meaning it changes often. Depending on your internet provider, dynamic IP might actually be the norm, as it was with my last one. The current one uses sticky dynamic IP, it still changes, just a lot less frequently. Not to mention you could always use a proxy and pretend you're someone from Ivory Coast... :P And email address? I can create 10 dummy email addresses in 10 minutes.

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#15 - 2012-11-25 19:45:37 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Another quality NPC alt post.


Another weak ad hominem attack from a goonswarm member.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#16 - 2012-11-25 19:46:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
CCP knows by IP and email addresses just exactly who is and is not a 'real' new player for thier metrics.

This is a hare-brained OP post indeed.


That's not always true. Some people have dynamic IP, meaning it changes often. Depending on your internet provider, dynamic IP might actually be the norm, as it was with my last one. The current one uses sticky dynamic IP, it still changes, just a lot less frequently. Not to mention you could always use a proxy and pretend you're someone from Ivory Coast... :P And email address? I can create 10 dummy email addresses in 10 minutes.



They have their ways.



edit: Also, player behavior can reveal a lot at that point. A new multi account probably will not run through the tutorial sequence etc.

It's actually really hard to hide things online these days. A mistake a lot of forum posters make.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-11-25 19:51:38 UTC
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
That's not always true. Some people have dynamic IP, meaning it changes often. Depending on your internet provider, dynamic IP might actually be the norm, as it was with my last one. The current one uses sticky dynamic IP, it still changes, just a lot less frequently. Not to mention you could always use a proxy and pretend you're someone from Ivory Coast... :P And email address? I can create 10 dummy email addresses in 10 minutes.


This is of course assuming you want to mislead CCP and are willing to put in effort to do that. That's...probably not a lot of people, if anyone at all.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#18 - 2012-11-25 19:53:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Snow Axe wrote:
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
That's not always true. Some people have dynamic IP, meaning it changes often. Depending on your internet provider, dynamic IP might actually be the norm, as it was with my last one. The current one uses sticky dynamic IP, it still changes, just a lot less frequently. Not to mention you could always use a proxy and pretend you're someone from Ivory Coast... :P And email address? I can create 10 dummy email addresses in 10 minutes.


This is of course assuming you want to mislead CCP and are willing to put in effort to do that. That's...probably not a lot of people, if anyone at all.


Yeah. I think Jarl Retief may have revealed something.

edit: besides being a typical geek nit-picker.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#19 - 2012-11-25 19:59:41 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
CCP knows by IP and email addresses just exactly who is and is not a 'real' new player for thier metrics.

This is a hare-brained OP post indeed.


That's not always true. Some people have dynamic IP, meaning it changes often. Depending on your internet provider, dynamic IP might actually be the norm, as it was with my last one. The current one uses sticky dynamic IP, it still changes, just a lot less frequently. Not to mention you could always use a proxy and pretend you're someone from Ivory Coast... :P And email address? I can create 10 dummy email addresses in 10 minutes.



They have their ways.



edit: Also, player behavior can reveal a lot at that point. A new multi account probably will not run through the tutorial sequence etc.

It's actually really hard to hide things online these days. A mistake a lot of forum posters make.


He didn't know, they didn't know, I didn't know they knew? You know?
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#20 - 2012-11-25 21:01:24 UTC
Skydell wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
CCP knows by IP and email addresses just exactly who is and is not a 'real' new player for thier metrics.

This is a hare-brained OP post indeed.


That's not always true. Some people have dynamic IP, meaning it changes often. Depending on your internet provider, dynamic IP might actually be the norm, as it was with my last one. The current one uses sticky dynamic IP, it still changes, just a lot less frequently. Not to mention you could always use a proxy and pretend you're someone from Ivory Coast... :P And email address? I can create 10 dummy email addresses in 10 minutes.



They have their ways.



edit: Also, player behavior can reveal a lot at that point. A new multi account probably will not run through the tutorial sequence etc.

It's actually really hard to hide things online these days. A mistake a lot of forum posters make.


He didn't know, they didn't know, I didn't know they knew? You know?


I know. Smile

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
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