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High Sec Level 5's

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Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
#1 - 2011-10-21 07:39:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Rip Minner
Big smileOk some of you may or may not remeaber me from the level 5's in high sec debats.

I just would like to take this time to just ask one ?

Why did CCP bother taking level 5's out of high sec and then put Incursions in? Now dont get me wrong I love Incursions even more then I loved High sec level 5's. I fought hard to keep them.

It looks stupid to me at least to remove High sec level 5's in the face of High sec Incursions.

Now dont get me wrong here I no longer care about high sec level 5's and would not bother doing them. At least not with Incursions happening.Big smile

I'm just wondering how many other people think the remove of High sec level 5's in the face of handing us High sec Incursions that are even better then level 5's was kind of I dont know stupid? A needless effort? Looks something like No kid smoking tabbaco is bad for you here is a 10 ring hitter and some weed this is much better for you kind of deal?

Is it a rock point a lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship point a lazer at it and profit. I dont see any problems here.

Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
#2 - 2011-10-21 07:46:33 UTC
The logic of it is lost on me too to be honest .. P
Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels
The Obsidian Front - Reborn
#3 - 2011-10-21 08:25:11 UTC
I totally agree, look a bit odd and i would like to see high sec lvl 5s again.

Im not a fan of incursions, done them a few times but would like to see some challanges i can do solo without having to worrie about getting ganked and spamming D-Scan for probes every 2 sec.

Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".

Coolmer
Kanizsa triangle
#4 - 2011-10-21 10:31:10 UTC
Me to agree and will be happy to see it in high sec.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#5 - 2011-10-21 12:14:40 UTC
Ynot Eyob wrote:
I totally agree, look a bit odd and i would like to see high sec lvl 5s again.

Im not a fan of incursions, done them a few times but would like to see some challanges i can do solo without having to worrie about getting ganked and spamming D-Scan for probes every 2 sec.



Yeah because greater reward should come with the same amount of risk as less reward right?

How about you join a corp that has a low sec presence and then do the missions? Or is that too much effort for a solo mission runner?
Coolmer
Kanizsa triangle
#6 - 2011-10-21 12:33:25 UTC
XXSketchxx wrote:
Ynot Eyob wrote:
I totally agree, look a bit odd and i would like to see high sec lvl 5s again.

Im not a fan of incursions, done them a few times but would like to see some challanges i can do solo without having to worrie about getting ganked and spamming D-Scan for probes every 2 sec.



Yeah because greater reward should come with the same amount of risk as less reward right?

How about you join a corp that has a low sec presence and then do the missions? Or is that too much effort for a solo mission runner?



In first place it is not reward what I am interested in, it excitement and experience for something new, heavier .... it seams fun to fight against carriers.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#7 - 2011-10-21 12:38:41 UTC
Coolmer wrote:
XXSketchxx wrote:
Ynot Eyob wrote:
I totally agree, look a bit odd and i would like to see high sec lvl 5s again.

Im not a fan of incursions, done them a few times but would like to see some challanges i can do solo without having to worrie about getting ganked and spamming D-Scan for probes every 2 sec.



Yeah because greater reward should come with the same amount of risk as less reward right?

How about you join a corp that has a low sec presence and then do the missions? Or is that too much effort for a solo mission runner?



In first place it is not reward what I am interested in, it excitement and experience for something new, heavier .... it seams fun to fight against carriers.


Test server is that way Arrow
Coolmer
Kanizsa triangle
#8 - 2011-10-21 12:49:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Coolmer
XXSketchxx wrote:
Coolmer wrote:
XXSketchxx wrote:
Ynot Eyob wrote:
I totally agree, look a bit odd and i would like to see high sec lvl 5s again.

Im not a fan of incursions, done them a few times but would like to see some challanges i can do solo without having to worrie about getting ganked and spamming D-Scan for probes every 2 sec.



Yeah because greater reward should come with the same amount of risk as less reward right?

How about you join a corp that has a low sec presence and then do the missions? Or is that too much effort for a solo mission runner?



In first place it is not reward what I am interested in, it excitement and experience for something new, heavier .... it seams fun to fight against carriers.


Test server is that way Arrow


But enjoyment and fun is way of successful game that supposed for EVE to be, and your misunderstanding is step back.
I still vote for level 5 in Hi-Sec, and many-many new dynamic missions like Dread Scarlet ...
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#9 - 2011-10-21 12:53:22 UTC  |  Edited by: XXSketchxx
Coolmer wrote:


But enjoyment and fun is way of successful game that supposed for EVE to be, and your misunderstanding is step back.
I still vote for level 5 in Hi-Sec, and many-many new dynamic missions like Dread Scarlet ...


I don't really understand fully what you're attempting to say here but regardless:

the point is if you want "higher end content" you have to leave high sec. That's the way it works in Eve. Outside of high sec there is a lot more game content. You need only to leave high sec to access it.

EDIT: I will say that new, complex/difficult/twisted missions should definitely be added. The epic arcs were a nice start and some of the new missions I've heard of. I haven't missioned in ages but the addition of level 4 missions that require frigate use (T2/faction necessary) or other weird elements like that is long over due. Also, more epic arcs. Missions definitely need work, but not in the sense that the OP is proposing, i.e. missions with greater rewards.
Akuma Tsukai
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-10-21 15:07:59 UTC
Missions definitely need work, but not in the sense that the OP is proposing, i.e. missions with greater rewards.

considering that incursions ARE missions with greater reward ... Things looking sad so far.
Theres barely any need to go low/0 sec anymore, unless ure explorer.
Goose99
#11 - 2011-10-21 15:10:36 UTC
Akuma Tsukai wrote:
Missions definitely need work, but not in the sense that the OP is proposing, i.e. missions with greater rewards.

considering that incursions ARE missions with greater reward ... Things looking sad so far.
Theres barely any need to go low/0 sec anymore, unless ure explorer.


Is that why power blocks are abandoning their sovs in droves and coming back to highsec?Lol

What we need is move moogoo to highsec.Cool
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2011-10-21 20:02:24 UTC
HTFU

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
#13 - 2011-10-21 23:04:12 UTC
Akuma Tsukai wrote:
XXSketchxx wrote:

the point is if you want "higher end content" you have to leave high sec. That's the way it works in Eve. Outside of high sec there is a lot more game content. You need only to leave high sec to access it.

considering that incursions ARE missions with greater reward ... Things looking sad so far.
Theres barely any need to go low/0 sec anymore, unless ure explorer.

Exactly. Incurisons are "higher end content" than L5s and on top of that don't even get standings loss as L5s are mostly faction missions as well.

It's a bit like L4 and L6 missions are in highsec - but L5s are only in lowsec.
What's the use?
Desudes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-10-21 23:44:20 UTC
Akuma Tsukai wrote:
Missions definitely need work, but not in the sense that the OP is proposing, i.e. missions with greater rewards.

considering that incursions ARE missions with greater reward ... Things looking sad so far.
Theres barely any need to go low/0 sec anymore, unless ure explorer.


Hi, there is more to EVE then making ISK. Content is not tiered ISK factories.

Just thought someone aught to point that out.

Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu?

Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#15 - 2011-10-21 23:51:35 UTC
One of these activities require teamwork, the other can easily be farmed in a single passive tanked rattler.
Desudes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-10-21 23:57:19 UTC
Cambarus wrote:
One of these activities require teamwork, the other can easily be farmed in a single passive tanked rattler.


I'd be interested to see solo rattler L5 ISK/hr; I do believe most people use at least 3 ships.

With the dps it would put out it would be utter crap (if it were in a L4, I've never done L5) compared to incursions.

Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu?

FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#17 - 2011-10-22 01:32:43 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
Coolmer wrote:
In first place it is not reward what I am interested in, it excitement and experience for something new, heavier .... it seams fun to fight against carriers.

You want excitement, wait for those probes to finish scanning you down and see who comes to visit. More excitement to be had there than in any mission or incursion.

edit: before you go off about how I'm some pirate trying to make you play my way, understand that I was and still am a wormhole explorer. Those tense moments of avoiding ganks in w-space were FAR more exciting than PVE could ever hope to offer.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

yumike
Doomheim
#18 - 2011-10-22 03:12:06 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Coolmer wrote:
In first place it is not reward what I am interested in, it excitement and experience for something new, heavier .... it seams fun to fight against carriers.

You want excitement, wait for those probes to finish scanning you down and see who comes to visit. More excitement to be had there than in any mission or incursion.

edit: before you go off about how I'm some pirate trying to make you play my way, understand that I was and still am a wormhole explorer. Those tense moments of avoiding ganks in w-space were FAR more exciting than PVE could ever hope to offer.


Maybe so, but your avoiding ganks doesn't make you any isk. Your comparing apples to oranges.
Uriel Chinmay
Perkone
#19 - 2011-10-22 03:57:23 UTC
There is maybe 2-3 missions you can solo in a reasonable amount of time in a solo rattler.

Takes me 10mins to finish Sansha Acquisition (need to pop a 280k hp structure and clear some tackle) with 3k dps including rage torps (tengu, machariel + torp cnr).
Will take 40mins+ with solo rattlers ~600dps.

You'd make more soloing lvl4s for one of those r&d type corps who have a good lp store (not the crummy navy ones we have to put up with for lvl5s).
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
#20 - 2011-10-22 06:16:56 UTC
Jennifer Starling wrote:
Akuma Tsukai wrote:
XXSketchxx wrote:

the point is if you want "higher end content" you have to leave high sec. That's the way it works in Eve. Outside of high sec there is a lot more game content. You need only to leave high sec to access it.

considering that incursions ARE missions with greater reward ... Things looking sad so far.
Theres barely any need to go low/0 sec anymore, unless ure explorer.

Exactly. Incurisons are "higher end content" than L5s and on top of that don't even get standings loss as L5s are mostly faction missions as well.

It's a bit like L4 and L6 missions are in highsec - but L5s are only in lowsec.
What's the use?




It's the winning quote right there. That's what I was lacking the words for. It is alot like level 4's and level 6's are in high sec what's the point of level 5's in low sec only now.Pirate

Is it a rock point a lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship point a lazer at it and profit. I dont see any problems here.

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