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Multi-screen computer rig

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Shalaan Bedala
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-11-25 07:13:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalaan Bedala
So I've been playing EVE in 3840x1024 for a while now. I'm been using 2 ancient nVidia 8800GTX Ultras in SLI through a Matrox TripleHead2Go to achieve it. It runs okay for the most part. Jita is laggy, but then again, I think everyone lags a bit there. Incarna put some strain on the setup with the captain's quarters as well, but overall, its been running fine.


With the newest expansion, I'd really like to crank it up to 11, and max the settings. However, I'm also tossing my 3 screen setup for a 5 screen. I want to run 6000x1920 (5 screens, each 1920x1200 in portrait mode).

Now a normal 1920x1200 does about 2.3mil pixels multiplied by FPS.
My setup would do about 11.5mil pixels x FPS.

So I'll need some much more modern GPUs. However, I haven't bought any computer equipment for years obviously, and I'm a bit out of the news on it. So here's my questions:

1) What kind of GPU will run or support 5x1 portrait settings? (I know ADM's "Eyefinity" software does, but no word on GPUs, and I'd prefer nVidia to be honest)
2) What other components of the computer will need to be upgraded besides the mobo/CPU/RAM to accomodate the new graphic cards?
3) Has anyone done this themselves, and if so, was there any compatibility issues or anything to get EVE to run at this resolution?
4) Lastly, any suggestions or concerns would be appreciated. In case its needed, I was hoping to spend less than $1,500 for the hardware (monitors not included).
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#2 - 2012-11-25 10:35:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Mars Theran
http://www.wsgf.org/

One of the EVGA guys introduced me to this forum, where you can find pretty much everything you need to know about this.

I'd personally be looking into a nice Intel set up, (better than I have), that supports CrossfireX as ATi is actually quite good at this sort of thing. Probably their main shining feature, aside from Home Theater set-ups for watching Hi-Def Blu-Ray or Digital Copy on PC, and possibly in Widescreen with 6 monitors or a good projector.

Never set one of these up myself, but EVE hardly needs PhysX or similar features yet. Maybe down the road, and you should consider this for such an investment, but hardly necessary atm.

If you do decide to go with Nvidia, I'm fairly certain the newer 670 and higher GPUs have good multi-monitor support, particularly in SLI. Shouldn't need a Matrox adapter either, but you are looking at 5 monitors and I don't know exactly their capability as I've never considered this seriously.

Check the forum out though. Lots of answers there if you need them, and I'm sure they're quite helpful when approached with this sort of thing if you can't find it in a quick search or need something specific.

Also, interesting space sim I've never heard of on that page; in Beta apparently, as posted. Going to have to check it out and see what it is. Smile

edit: Cool video. Cool
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Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust
#3 - 2012-11-25 11:13:32 UTC
I don't have direct experience in such "complicated" sli setup but I'm running a multimonitor rig myself on a gtx 670 + Ivy i5 3570k oc'd at 4.3Ghz.

The cpu shouldn't be a problem (tbh I think even a sandy 2500k should fit just well since it's very easily oc-able at 4.4/4.5Ghz too). Of course it's all about having the proper sli setup. So, my single gtx 670 handles 2 monitors at 1920x1200 just fine, adding a 3rd starts to make it work pretty hard. I'd recomend a 2-way sli for a 3 monitor setup, assuming your resolution.

In your case it looks like you could handle the 5 monitors with a 2-way sli but a 3-way should be the way to go. I don't think a 2-way of 680 would change anything but the cost of the rig so prolly also a 3-way of 660Ti could be a valid choice even if thinking to build something which lasts at least 2 years the 3-way of 670 is the best again.

There are related "secondary" issues though related to such a rig, called microstuttering and (over)heating. I don't know how you're going to cool your gpu's but an appropriate mobo should be choosen according to the possibility of mounting aftermarket coolers on your cards, and such mobo's are quite expensive, in the range of the 200+ $. The accelero mono plus is terribly ugly, quite fat (keeps 2.5 slots per card) but it's stupid cheap and works like a charm. If you don't want to use aftermarket coolers you should be heading towards a gigabyte windforce or an asus dc II, but again be sure to have more than a couple of millimiters between your gpu's once rigged or the 2nd and 3rd will suffer from overheating.

The microstuttering issue is hard to tell and mostly depends on drivers and the game itself, so some have it others don't but the more gpu's you rig the higher is the chance to face it.

Going liquid would be best but you must add 100-ish $ per gpu for that, and since said cards aren't exactly that cheap already..... meh!

Could be worth saying in about 4-5 months we will have the next gen popping out, so the gtx 7xx, but of course at the day-1 costs or you should wait few months to have more solutions (like the 760Ti) or cheaper prices for the 770/780, as usual. But a 2-way sli of those would be able to support your 5 monitors for sure, at said resolution.

GL ;)

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Shalaan Bedala
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-11-25 11:35:56 UTC
Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust wrote:

Going liquid would be best but you must add 100-ish $ per gpu for that, and since said cards aren't exactly that cheap already..... meh!


I already have my system liquid cooled, so hopefully it shouldn't be too much of a difference to change up the heat sinks.
Interesting bit about the micro-stuttering. I've seen that before, but didn't know the term for it. Would that affect something like EVE, or only games that push the graphic cards to their limits?
Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust
#5 - 2012-11-25 11:57:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust
from what I've been reading it doesn't depend directly by the gpu load rather than by the sli support. No idea about the 4-way sli but from what I've read the 3-way is way more affected by that issue than the 2-way which is generally..... working as intended.

Should it depend on how the games are coded or how the drivers are written...... no idea, should be both but somone "fixed" it using older drivers or at least not the last one nor the beta. Or playing with the nvidia control panel/game settings and such. So it's not a really terribad problem, but if you spend some money on a new rig to play at the best and you have to turn down features, effects and such to be able to play smoothly, it sucks.

Btw, Xfire is the same + other driver related issues even if it seems the last ones increased performances and general quality quite a lot.

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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#6 - 2012-11-25 12:24:43 UTC  |  Edited by: AlleyKat
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
#7 - 2012-11-25 12:28:55 UTC
Thanks for this thread and the linki to that forum.

I am considering upgrading my rig to have four screen, two above each other, all at 1680x1050.

I so mostly coding (I work from home) and sometimes having two screens isn't enough and I am looking to update to a four screen rig with small screen bezels.

The only game that I am interested in is Eve and if I can make this future proof on here then all well and good.

Pam:  I wonder what my name means in Welsh?Nessa: Why?

Shalaan Bedala
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-11-25 12:36:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalaan Bedala



That's not really as appealing as it sounds, and here's why.

Right now, I'm running 3840x1024. Its a "long, short" setup. Basically, looks like this:


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Now if I used that setup, I would only gain 56 pixels height, but it would stretch it to 7680 in a horizontal layout:
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Overall, it wouldn't change a lot. Now, if we put them in portrait mode, it would look more like this:
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Its closer to what I'm shooting but with only 1080 horizontal, I would be looking at more bezels than screen just about. That's why I was shooting for 1920s. Almost twice the room, so it would look something like this:

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EDIT: In retrospect, I suppose I should have just searched for pictures lol, but I haven't slept tonight, so meh.
Shalaan Bedala
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-11-25 12:43:50 UTC
http://www.overclock.net/t/1220962/vegas-heavyweight-display-and-computer-edition-2012/850#

This is what I was shooting for.

Also, Myfanwy Heimdal, I'm not sure if you are doing a 2x2 full screen, or if you're using one of the rows of screens for spreadsheets/browser/etc, but a warning: I wouldn't recommend doing a 2x2 full screen, otherwise whatever you play (EVE or otherwise), the middle of your screen is one big crosshair bezel.
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#10 - 2012-11-25 12:57:27 UTC
Shalaan Bedala wrote:



That's not really as appealing as it sounds, and here's why.

Right now, I'm running 3840x1024. Its a "long, short" setup. Basically, looks like this:


[ ] [ ] [ ]

Now if I used that setup, I would only gain 56 pixels height, but it would stretch it to 7680 in a horizontal layout:
[ ] [ ] [ ]
Overall, it wouldn't change a lot. Now, if we put them in portrait mode, it would look more like this:
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Its closer to what I'm shooting but with only 1080 horizontal, I would be looking at more bezels than screen just about. That's why I was shooting for 1920s. Almost twice the room, so it would look something like this:

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EDIT: In retrospect, I suppose I should have just searched for pictures lol, but I haven't slept tonight, so meh.



oh, I geddit now.

be interesting to see how that pans out.

This space for rent.

Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
#11 - 2012-11-25 13:53:39 UTC
Thanks for that Shalaan. At the moment I have two screns with a massive bezel and I just use them as two seperate screens.

So, if one had four screens then what would the best option be. I don't really see me needing to go for more, but, I suppose if I have five screens in porttait then this would be a good set up as I am looking at the middle screen.

I really need to think about this.

Gosh, so I would need five decent monitors, the right video cards and then the right motherboard for this.

- Myfanwy

Pam:  I wonder what my name means in Welsh?Nessa: Why?

Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust
#12 - 2012-11-25 14:18:00 UTC
Quote:
all at 1680x1050.

Roll u serious? Cry

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Shalaan Bedala
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-11-25 15:00:16 UTC
Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:
So, if one had four screens then what would the best option be.


It really depends on how you want to use the screens. You said you use them separately, so for something like that, I'd use a 3x1+1 setup. Basically you would have a center screen...scratch that, let me grab a pic.
http://www.tukui.org/storage/images/521227tukzpc2012-eyefinity.jpg (ignore the 5th screen on the upper left)

So you would get the full 3 screen panoramic view for the bottom 3 screens, and the 4th you could keep as a browser/extra one.

The only other way to have screens on top of one another single screen surface is using a 3x3 (9 screens) setup, but that's just silly...
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
#14 - 2012-11-25 17:19:21 UTC
Ah, but I am not using this primarily as a gaming rig. It will be a development rig on which I play Eve.

During the day I can be doing stuff such as bashing code, writing HTML, looking at the web page underconstruction, a database on another window and stuff like that. Or I could be working on photographs in Lightroom which I do after I've been ut

At the moment I have two 1650x1050 screens next to each other where they are about three and a half feet to four feet from my nose. They're at the right height so that the middle of the screen is level with the eyes.

The rig looks a little gash, but to give you an idea, here it is what it's like. Development Machine

As you can see I work from home (though Eve Maps is not far away as you can see) and so the important thing is that I want to improve the work station but, at the same time, I want to make it better for flying around New Eden. And since I work from home it makes sense to have this rig improved in the visual department. Everything is alright about my machines and my workspace; it's just the displays which need a kick.

So when I am asked if I am joking about the 1650x1050, my response would be Why Not? This is what I use today and I would like to replace these 24" monitors which something the same size but more appropriate as you can see they look ruddy awful and despite them being both 24" the dimensions are uttlery different.

Therefore my next stage is to get more screen; I would prefer to have something where I am not staring at a bezel dead in front of me so it may be five in a row in portrait mode as the desk is going to be big enough.

So, there you have it. This

Pam:  I wonder what my name means in Welsh?Nessa: Why?

Shalaan Bedala
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-11-25 17:41:38 UTC
Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:
During the day I can be doing stuff such as bashing code, writing HTML, looking at the web page underconstruction, a database on another window and stuff like that.



In that case, I would just recommend adding only 1 more screen, especially since it looks like you're short of available space.

Here's the setup I've been using since ~2008. Please ignore my failed attempt to black out the sun with the cloth:
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/205623_101235726553763_6710814_n.jpg

Depending on how you have it setup, you can set your windows to maximize along all 3 screens, 2 screens, or 1 each. When I'm not gaming, I prefer 1 each, it really increases productivity!
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-11-25 18:21:50 UTC
Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:
Thanks for that Shalaan. At the moment I have two screns with a massive bezel and I just use them as two seperate screens.

So, if one had four screens then what would the best option be. I don't really see me needing to go for more, but, I suppose if I have five screens in porttait then this would be a good set up as I am looking at the middle screen.

I really need to think about this.

Gosh, so I would need five decent monitors, the right video cards and then the right motherboard for this.

- Myfanwy

The ship HUD can be shifted off center, left or right. This way the monitor bezel will not get in the way.

I still think you would be better off with one central monitor. The split in the middle is just a little too weird for me in this game. But this is gaming issue, not productivity issue. For productivity you can have the split in the middle and not be bothered by it.

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Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
#17 - 2012-11-25 18:44:38 UTC
Shalaan, I have measured my desk and it can take five monitors even with thick bezels in portrait mode.

Thanks for the picture of your rig but don't you find that you're sitting too close to the screens? I go to my friend's place and when I sit at his screens I swear that I am getting sunburnt as they're only about eighteen inches from his face.

Gosh, you lot have given me food for thought; do I want five portrait, three landscape and one up, or three and three?

Whatever it is it's got to be a decent monitor (I can't stand the matt ones) with next to no bezel. I can see my monthly screen recalibration taking forever...

Thanks for the pointers; at the moment the three across and one up is winning and, of course, that can always be expanded into a two rows of three...

Pam:  I wonder what my name means in Welsh?Nessa: Why?

Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust
#18 - 2012-11-25 19:02:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust
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do I want five portrait, three landscape and one up, or three and three?

imho going for a 16:9 1920p 27'' (64x39cm bezel included) and pairing 3 of em in portrait mode is the best you can get: 1 monitor in front of you (not a bezel) both while gaming and working and a total surface of 2 meters of monitors (192 cm) is all you need to be looking at and even more.

Using smaller ones and having to pair 5 (portrait mode) or 6 (in 2 rows) is imho less effective and way more expensive (not for the monitors but for the gpus/mobo/cpu). If you think said screens are expensive, they are not.

Ok for a 4th not paired with the other 3 but imho if you want anything more then 3x27'' you really want something...... weird.

Like zis

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Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
#19 - 2012-11-25 19:40:02 UTC
Ye Gods! Spent how much for to play a game? Is the man insane?

Pam:  I wonder what my name means in Welsh?Nessa: Why?

Shalaan Bedala
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-11-25 23:33:19 UTC
Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust wrote:
[ zis


Yeah, you've had that setup for a few years yeah? Or I saw another 15 account setup similar to that.

This is what I was shooting for: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyQoFPO8RyA
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