Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I agree with you man. For a ship that was supposed to move allot of stuff(aka expensive) they sure pop easy.

If you got ganked for 300mill cargo that yeah its pretty bad out here .

I don't own one myself as i like to play the game for pvp, but some corp members do and the amount of planning we do when we move those full of something its incredible.

Id actually like an orca that didn't require all the mining & leadership skills.
had maybe 200-250k m3 cargo and 800k - 1mill m3 ship maint bay to haul fitted bs's
40k corp hanger array.

could fit 2 large remote shield or armour reps, and 1 large cap transfer and maybe even run cov ops cloak.
50m3 drone bay.

and used shield tank.

Perhaps a a mini freighter that is not only faster and smaller but has more armor/shields with decent resists to let it travel through low sec with an escort cheaply and semi more feasibly. The reason that a need for lowsec travel would exist is to pair with my own idea right here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097&find=unread which would add low security space between all the empires and remove all high security space gates that connect the four empires of eve.

@ Red Frog Rufen;

I noted your other topic on this forum pushing the idea of upgrading the sec status of a few key systems which are 0.5 bottlenecks. I can understand your point; within 0.5 systems once the guys have bumped you off gate, 5 tier 3 BC's can gank you with 2 volleys each whereas in 0.6 the filth arrive before the scond volley.

However, while you still have access to overpowered OGB boosters you should deploy them at deep safes in Niarja, Uedama, etc. Your corpies and +10 blues can then join their fleet and move between wings to take advantage of the EHP buffs from the OGB alts on the routes they take. This will boost your freighter's EHP by 10%, which might be all it takes to survive. eg, a Obelisk goes from 200K to 220K EHP, and you can also make it align faster

The Orca isn’t really a freighter. It’s a mining support ship.

Also, there has been a lot of talk about an intermediate hauler between the T2 transports and freighters.

So, I don’t think a pure hauler in the Orca’s class is not unreasonable. Heck, use the same hull and just swap the hanger bay, leadership bonus’s, monster tractor beam for a bigger bay, some tank and maybe level based agility and capacity bonus.

Call it the Narwhal. Easy to implement and there is certainly a niche/demand for it.

No, it's cargo capacity is 80,761m3 plus 40,000m3 plus 50,000m3. This distinction is important, because you cannot carry any item that is larger than 80,761m3.

That would mean that the current freighters need to be nerfed, since the costs of ganking one have increased.

Before, a bunch of insured BS would make it a very low cost (even a direct gain during periods when miners were particularly stupid). These days, even with tier-3 BCs, the costs are much higher since it's a total loss when you attack something. So if the EHP should be adjusted to fit this new ganking cost, the EHP would go down. Fortunately, cost is not a balancing issue so we won't see that kind of nerf to freighters.

Actually, no. It should just be different. The whole idea that higher tiers should be better is a horrible old and outdated design concept that they're trying to get rid of right now, and since such a ship would not require more skill in any meaningful way, it will not be “better” in any meaningful way either.

So something that offers less cargo and more HP is probably the kind of variation you'd see. Something more specialised, such as a freighter-based ship carrier (no cargo space, just a big corp hangar) would fit the T2 concept of specialisation more. Oh, and giving them lowslots would be among the most horrible nerfs to freighters imaginable.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15253634

sucessfully warped from uedama, but got caught in the next system.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15158390

that's another one (mine) with 500m.

we've had at least 12 others in the last 4 months under 1b.

It would be interesting to see the entire fight…

No, that's another one with an unknown value, and with enough known valuables to make it worth gambling on the hidden package.

9-10 BS could easily cost less than 400M, and anything you can do with tier-3 BCs can (and could) be done with the same number of battleships.

you guys don't know how scanning and killmail work now, do you?

everything you see in my killmail was in a single wrap, not hiden. So, no hidden value.

when you scan a freighter with a single courier contract inside it, it'll show the content of the wrap.

if you double-wrap it, or if there's a container inside it, everyhing inside that second layer of container will not show on the scan, neither on the killmail.

At Red Frog, we are not double-wraping. we try to keep our cargo under 1b. (some pilot try for more, but it can be risky)

Tippia: it was around 400m at the time of trit at 3 isk pu. but that didn't stay long, anyway the game was almost dead at that time, thanks to WIS.

anyway, again, not the point of this post.