Player Features and Ideas Discussion

so basically this would make low-sec relevant. I support this idea and ccp should take notice.

oh and brand new low-sec trade hubs!!! omfg

so anti pirate corps would become relevant as well? O_o omfg!!!

Yes but not for low sec trade hubs, the incentives would be far to low for non pirates. It would be pirates ganking other pirates. Imagine if all the drug dealers in one town tried to sell their drugs in one warehouse, they would shoot each other non stop.

Nobody will be forced into lowsec at all. Everything you could ever need is in high sec and you will still have access to all the ores and missions you could dream. Industry production would be hardly affected since people will still be building just as much as they do now, perhaps more so because of the added production slots in lowsec. The lack of imports to your area would be compensated by the lack of exports.

The tranportation of assets was addressed beautifully by another poster in this thread. You can pay someone else to move your assets for you, in fact it would bring more buisness to the trade industry than you could dream. In economics their is something called opportunity cost, in its simplest terms this means time= money, the cost of an action is not just determined by how much you pay but what else you could be doing at that time also, and moving **** yourself is a waste of time. Not to mention moving from area to area should be a big deal, finding a direct connecion between two high sec systems via wormhole ,moving your items through with a cloaky hauler, paying someone who does nothing but move things and is expert at it, having a good corporation with carrier or jump freighter access, or straight up liquidation would still be perfectly viable options. Also how often do you move anyway? jeez.

Low-sec is more profitable than high sec, it has better ores, exploration sites, Planetary interaction, and the ability to build capital ships. It is obvious CCP can do nothing to herd casual zombies into lowsec and I already knew when proposing this idea that such an effect would not occur. My idea would add a reason to fight for it. Trade ways must be secured and their would be people who take it upon themselves to protect commerce and have their own self interests at heart for doing so. Give the pvp'ers a reason to fight for you carebears.

i would hate to burst your bubble but ccp intended you to fly through lowsec to reach the other side. the sec of a system herp a derp should odviously go down the closer it gets to a faction it is at war with... but that would make sense.

Nullsec alliance can prevent people from docking in their stations with 100% certainty. Pirates being smaller groups that do not have the luxury of owning their own stations only import goods on demand for members' wishlists. I doubt their would be any reason for this to change with pirates having more to shoot at. Traders will still probably make the trip all the way across lowsec and only trade at the safe hubs.

When I started EVE, I began trading in Aridia. Yeah, lol, right? But sell 100 Hobgoblin Is at 650,000 ISK each to deranged desperate pirates, and you can see why. Gonditsa, back when MINER MINER and LS Sledgehammer camped it 23/7, was a deathtrap - and this was before instalock Lokis. But, you add the pirates to watchlist, wait till they are offline, gird your loins, install your stabs, and make a go of it.

I used to fear and loathe lowsec for years once I got into Null and could blat rats for 1.5M a pop in a Hound. The risks, back when everything was gatecamped, were too great.

Now I'm living in Frerstorn, have a stash of 80 hulls imported from Rens / Hek, mostly T2, and I lose very little to pirates. Alts help, but mostly good intel channels and judicious cloak-MWD make everything fine and dandy.

So, I fully support this idea. It will create emergent gameplay, and discourage AFKsters who get ISK simply and easily including via using hauling bots with freighters.

There's a lot of Q.Q at the idea. Lot of talk of it "forcing" people. Hardly.

As Ted says, no one will be forced to do anything. The only time I'm forced into lowsec against my will is when doing missions and the agent gives me some stupid mission 3 jumps into lowsec and I am too tired or drunk to not accept it, and I've already dumped one in the last 3 hours.

As for the idea noobs will be ganked in lowsec after a week with all their worldlies in a Badger and quit? Well, they do that already by derping into lowsec. I know plenty of people whose first losses were derping into lowsec. There's a splash screen you have to tick a button to stop spamming at you. If that isn't stopping derping now, it doesn't matter is every system aside from Jita is lowsec - people will still take that plunge and get ganked.

But in all this, there's also an assumption that people roam about in their hisec carebearing lives like giant nomadic bears. No they do not. 90% of bears will hump the same level 4 agent for months, and some, a bunch of agents in the same region. Firstly, unless you learn fast enough, you trash your faction standing with the opposed Empire faction, making moving from Penirgman to Gulfonodi an unreasonable chore. Most people make their bed and lie in it, and run the epic arcs only if they worry about visiting the other space (or Jita).

Industry guys attempt to make most of their stuff as close to Jita as possible. Even in my alliance, shopping is done via alts in Jita for all manner of things. Yes ships are made in Rensbut the volume is low even if the prices are equitable, and even if you can get the same suite of items in Rens for roughly the same prices. Jita is just Jita.

Put lowsec between, and this behaviour will stop. Which means less people with freighter/orca hauling alts, but also less distance to cover to get the same results. Industry toons will no longer flock to a limited supply of moons only a few jumps from Jita; this will stop wars over the moons, but so what? Industry will decentralise from around Jita and Caldari space.

The key with this proposal will be to ensure that there are several (4-5) roughly equally useful routes (in terms of # jumps) between the major Empire blocs, to prevent, eg, the Rancer bottleneck. Amamake isn't a bottleneck as you can actually go via Bosboger and the Gulm/Ama gate is never camped. Hell, these days, Ama/Oso isn't camped at least 1/3rd of the day.

Other effects, for instance, will be a greater use of wormholes. Not only A641 hisec-hisec transients, but C1, C2 and C3 holes with hisec statics. I have in the past used these to move ships and fleets in bulk, eg, from Solitude hisec to Empire. Shut yourself inside with the fleet, collapse the hole professionally, scan the new exit, viola you are somewhere else. Repeat until in the correct hisec. You can even take orca loads of freight through with this method.

It will also benefit the guys who live in wormholes; it is possible to then manufacture or even just out and out trade from your wormhole POS. You can even haul in 20 BS hulls, stuff them in a CHA and then haul them out to the intended destination. I've done it before, it is quite feasible.

In short, this idea has merit.

This has been suggested countless times since the beginning of EVE. There's a reason why it hasn't been implemented.

I don't really know what the reason is, but there is one! Otherwise, it would have happened.

So out of curiosity I was looking at courier contracts and realized that they all blow.
Surprising? no.


Maybe if this change was added being a self employed courier would be an actual career possibility instead of spending 1.5bil on a freighter, 80mil on collateral, and an hour of your time to some ,often times off the beaten path, system for only 8mil.

Throwing my support, and honestly giving how long it took them to simply give us a prison we can walk in, I would scream laziness or asshatery before 'reasons it's not implemented'.