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How Hard is it to join a major Nullsec Alliance/ elite PvP gang
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#81 - 2012-11-24 04:18:33 UTC
Thomas Orca wrote:
The real answer to the OP depends on how many times you are willing to apply with the reason "cyno alt" to random corps.

Heh, that's funny. I remember someone telling me about trying that.

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Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2012-11-24 04:22:28 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
In my mind there are four (very rough) tiers of 0.0 corporations separated by their approach towards recruitment:

(1) corporations that recruit anyone and acquire recruits by spamming unsolicited evemails/convos: bottom of the barrel (typically renters and/or IRC)

(2) corporations that recruit pretty much anyone and advertise in the Recruitment channel/eve-o subforum: 2nd tier alliances (e.g. Tribal Band, Li3, Squee, FA, SMA, ...), 3rd tier corporations in 1st tier alliances (ENL-I comes to mind)

(3) corporations that do open recruitment but don't advertise: 2nd tier corporations in 1st tier alliances (e.g. Eternity, ...)

(4) corporations that recruit by vouch only: 1st tier corporations in 1st tier alliances (e.g. dreddit for non-redditors, ...)

(yes, I know that you are a special snowflake and that your corporation does not fit into this scheme at all;
yes, I know that my examples are mostly drawn from HBC and CFC;
yes, I know that all test members are equal and that dreddit is merely more equal than the others;
yes, I know that people will find a dozen reasons to dismiss this post as irrelevant or biased.)

Anyways, my experience is that (1) is best avoided altogether and that getting into (2) is trivial, regardless of prior experience.
Getting into (3) requires some work but is doable for a complete stranger with an active killboard and no obvious red flags.
Joining (4) requires you to have friends in the corporation you apply to or to be someone who is well-known outside his current alliance (prolific kugu poster, FC, songwriter, ...).

As long as you set your eyes on (2) [(3) if you can demonstrate prior pvp experience] you should have no problem finding a corporation within one of the large power-blocs that will take you.



Holy ****, we've stepped up to second tier.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#83 - 2012-11-24 04:25:57 UTC
It would be cool if we could spam and get newbies, Pity the "newbies" would be 90% spies. The funny thing about cyno alts, sometimes they're cyno alts for red blobs.

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Arsedestroyer
Doomheim
#84 - 2012-11-24 22:03:16 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Arsedestroyer wrote:
Karn Dulake wrote:


When i give out my full API key why should i also give out all of my financial transactions as well. I am very very rich in this game and roughly 1% worth of all isk trades in Amarr runs through my characters. If i give out this information they could kick me and take these markets for themselves.



Use a clean alt to join alliances maybe?



Alt or account? Smart corps will ask for an account wide API.




An Alt Account to be exact - one that is clear of any suspicous transactions.

I'd disagree on the fact that corps asking for a full API are alway smart.

If the corp is interesting enough to be spied upon, noone determinded to spy on them and being smart enough to do serious damage would use a suspicious account.

If it's just just some random highsec noob corp, they deny themselves members because it just alienates possible applicants.
Thomas Orca
Broski is ded
#85 - 2012-11-24 22:12:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Thomas Orca
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Thomas Orca wrote:
The real answer to the OP depends on how many times you are willing to apply with the reason "cyno alt" to random corps.

Heh, that's funny. I remember someone telling me about trying that.


Some SniggWaffe awoxer got into FCON by doing it.

Zagdul wrote:


Holy ****, we've stepped up to second tier.



No, he was just being nice.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#86 - 2012-11-24 22:16:44 UTC
Zhade Lezte wrote:
Different corporations in the CFC have differing recruitment policies as well. I would absolutely not rule us out. vOv

You should probably ask yourself what you want in a 0.0 corp and then work from there.

Fractal Muse wrote:
Joining a 0.0 corporation is really easy.

0.0 corporations are just like high sec corporations: Some have ridiculous entry requirements, others have moderate requirements, and some have no requirements at all.

Corporations are corporations regardless of where in space they are located. If you want to join one, meet the people in the corporation, talk to them, get a feel for them, see if your playstyles and times match up and... join or not.

There isn't anything special about 0.0 corporations in comparison to any other corporation.


This guy sums it up pretty well.


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Sevgei Ertekin
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2012-11-24 22:39:34 UTC
Anyone can join the blob. Smaller scale its easiest if your references come from killing or being killed by (not terribly) their members. Or just be logged in 23/7 and pvping like its your job, or is your job.
Jeremy Soikutsu
Kite Co. Space Trucking
#88 - 2012-11-24 23:12:39 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:

(1) corporations that recruit anyone and acquire recruits by spamming unsolicited evemails/convos: bottom of the barrel (typically renters and/or IRC)

(2) corporations that recruit pretty much anyone and advertise in the Recruitment channel/eve-o subforum: 2nd tier alliances (e.g. Tribal Band, Li3, Squee, FA, SMA, ...), 3rd tier corporations in 1st tier alliances (ENL-I comes to mind)

As an IRC pilot I've learned to take a certain amout of abuse, but I draw the line at saying we're worse than FA at anything. I could accept as bad, but this is a real slap in the ****.

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Doddy
Excidium.
#89 - 2012-11-24 23:26:48 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:


When i give out my full API key why should i also give out all of my financial transactions as well. I am very very rich in this game and roughly 1% worth of all isk trades in Amarr runs through my characters. If i give out this information they could kick me and take these markets for themselves.


Don't play dumb, its so they can spot if it is an alt account funded by a hostile player. Course only stupid spies do this but then most spies are stupid.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#90 - 2012-11-24 23:32:56 UTC
Sevgei Ertekin wrote:
Anyone can join the blob. Smaller scale its easiest if your references come from killing or being killed by (not terribly) their members. Or just be logged in 23/7 and pvping like its your job, or is your job.

After all, if it wasn't easy to join, we'd hardly be a blob, eh?

More like a blob wannabe

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