Warfare & Tactics

TBH I feel that LP (and by association isk) for the pvp in FW is fine. It is enough that I build up some LP while pvp'ing and in the slow times I plex.

So I spend maybe 10 mins once or twice a week when I can't be arsed going for a roam. And on the odd occasion when I'm trying to generate pvp with WT's in the same system.

I'm a pirate and pvp is the main activity I do and apart from the few minutes I have spent doing plex's directly I have been able to fund my pvp activity comfortably since moving to FW. I haven't bought PLEX, I haven't done any exploration for got know how long and ratting has totally been off the radar.

I fly some shiney stuff, I fly T2 stuff and fly lots of small & medium ships across the board. If I can fund this activity then I feel the balance is fine.

I think the winter expansion will make this even more doable without being overly prone to exploitation. And the revamp frigs and cruisers in this release will enhanc

Even though we don't see a problem CCP probably does, as such manual moderation on a large scale feature might be a pretty expensive choice for the company. Besides, putting easily "exploitable" features and then banning people for exploiting them is not the best customer relations politics a gaming company can follow. Generally gaming companies try to prevent exploits on design level rather than customer relations level.

As I said I'm positive in respect of increasing some the reward for kill in FW. However I see 2 general issues related to this:

1. In EVE general gameplay there's a food chain: resources have to be gathered, refined, worked, stuff have to be built... And stuff have to be destoryed, or the chain will fail. Now, the act of destruction (the PvP kill) cannot be also an act of ISK creation beyond a limit. Need to be a plain loss/destruction, or the chain is broken.

2. PvP is the most fun gameplay in EvE, while PvE is probably the most boring ever seen in a MMORPG. This mean that is interest to have new players joining PvP related gameplay fast and this can be done by giving resources to support their losses accessible with entry-level skills and ships.

Switching the focus from the plex-resources to the reward for kill is like to say "to join the fun you have to be stucked one year farming ISK in the most boring PvE ever seen" cause a new player hardly will be able to compensate his losses with his solo-kills. So is limiting this kind of PvP to a veteran group only, that don't need to worry about ISK and losses.

I know many veterans/elitist would like this, however is not good for EvE and the general gameplay and fun cannot be strangled only to protect their veteran/elittist status. Keeping people away from PvP cannot be positive for PvP.

So, yes, reward for kill is a nice plus, but cannot be a preminent core element in the system mechanics.

Also bear in mind that there loads of players in EVE that have the opposite feeling. PVE is great but PVP sucks. Be carefull of imposing your opinions onto the larger playerbase.

PvP in EVE has always been billed as harsh. You are supposed to lose something when you are blown up that is why it has been giving people the shakes for so long.

Now if you make those losses have no meaning i.e. I can fund pvp easily by killing a few poeple here and there then you lose the essence of pvp in EVE and it becomes another arena pvp game, admittedly a complex arena but an arena non the less.

If you are smart you can fund your pvp through pvp and very little pve activities. This i have done for pretty much the entire year.
When I started this year and decided to move to a pvp focussed gameplay I did not see how you can feasibly survive in eve through pvp alone and to some extent I still believe this is true and is working as intented.

Basically you can fund you pvp through pvp and some very very minor pve related activities. If all the rewards that people are discussing were handed out on platter for pvp then it would become a very different game and I for one would probably lose interest.

TBH I think LP for kills is not to bad and an increase of say 5-10% wouldn't be a bad thing without being over powered.

off the top of my head I have been getting about 500-600 lp for 11 mil isk kill...(might not be that acurate as I'm at work atm) with in the grand scheme of things is not a great deal and most certainly not going to break the mechanics if this was increase a few percentage points.

I think in general I must 'aquire' about 1/3 of my ship value in LP before it dies (I leroy into way too many things) in pvp. Whcih is easily supplimented by running some random minors or the odd medium now and then.

I like the way FW has gone since inferno and think the further developments will be a good thing.

one word of caution though.......a lot of people wanted meaning and consequences for FW and we got LP farmers and station lock outs........probably too of the most complained things in FW for the last 5 months. Be careful when wishing for 'extras' as they may not turn out how we expect. (for the record I have no issue with lockouts and the farmers are effectively gone now )

Too right they are mate. Things are good in FW now.