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Ocih
Space Mermaids
#41 - 2012-11-23 18:54:20 UTC
There is piracy in Null sec.

We call them corp thieves.
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#42 - 2012-11-23 18:59:52 UTC
So people are saying there is a portion of space for all playstyles.

I am glad that is finally resolved.
miles veters
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2012-11-23 19:54:50 UTC
Julie Martins wrote:
Hello,

I'm a relatively new player so my knowledge of the game is limited.

While reading the forum, I found a lot of posts of players asking CCP to find incentives for high sec players to go to low sec. It doesn't seems to work so I have a question for low sec pirates :

Why don't you guys go to 0.0. (As there are not post about it I assume there is no piratery in this part of space)

From my understanding, it has everything that you guys are asking :

more targets than low sec
no gate gun


you look like khloe kardashian.

SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#44 - 2012-11-23 22:04:55 UTC  |  Edited by: SmilingVagrant
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Despite having a higher overall population, there are many less targets in 0.0. You can choose between bots that you can't catch, people in semi-pimped plex boats that you can't catch, or people looking for fights with capitals on standby. There is really no one to "pirate" there.


Confirming

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15114900

that

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15104548

there

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15124120

are

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15262978

no

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15271654

targets

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15246940

in

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15263020

nullsec

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15272123

Stop being bad.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15115042 < thanatos lol

Side note: Most of these kills were sub 20 man gang kills, and were all stuff I was personally involved in this month alone and I rarely undock.

So you know, you can hurf and durf about there not being anything to kill, or you can go kill something.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#45 - 2012-11-23 22:12:52 UTC  |  Edited by: SmilingVagrant
Warde Guildencrantz wrote:
(Goons suck at small gang though...) < from experience fighting them O_o


This is honestly for the most part true. We have three sub groups within our organization that are pretty good at the small gang thing though, but they all operate in different areas.

One group is ~super opsec~ and you will likely never meet them unless you live in null and are hostile to us.

Our fast gang guys can be found in Syndicate and are starting to be a real force for ass kicking down there, and can call on enough firepower to bring down even big targets (We killed a SC a month or so ago, and many carriers have died).

And our hotdrop group is pretty effective as well.

But the average rank and file goon, you are right: Probably isn't too keen on individual ship roles in a small gang, and are basically fleet fodder.

EDIT: I will say we probably have the 2nd or 3rd best bomber wing in the game too, behind Gypsy Band and even up with PL's bomber wing. It's not unusual for a fleet to enter system with our bombers and say "**** it" then turn around and go home.
YoYo NickyYo
Doomheim
#46 - 2012-11-23 22:33:25 UTC
Julie Martins wrote:
Hello,

I'm a relatively new player so my knowledge of the game is limited.

While reading the forum, I found a lot of posts of players asking CCP to find incentives for high sec players to go to low sec. It doesn't seems to work so I have a question for low sec pirates :

Why don't you guys go to 0.0. (As there are not post about it I assume there is no piratery in this part of space)

From my understanding, it has everything that you guys are asking :

more targets than low sec
no gate gun


Low-sec pirating: 2 -3 hours of sitting on a gate, hoping some idiot comes your way.
0.0 pirating: 2-3 hours of wandering thru empty system after empty system, run into the occasional bot, who warps and cloaks when you enter system, and finally getting bored halfway across the universe. Then you die to a blob on the way back.


As you can see, 0.0 has a tremendous upside to it.......Lol


I am not, nor will I ever be...Nicky Yo.... The question you should ask is.....When will they release the NICKY!
Elliot Vodka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#47 - 2012-11-24 03:20:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Elliot Vodka
Not nearly as many pirates in Null because pirates want what null sec isnt.
Null sec is not...
Full of lesser experience pvp players. Unorganized Corps without plans to deal with threats. Most importantly an easy targets.
Making them horrible suggestions for a pirate. (One who preys on someone that's obviously at a disadvantage to them)

They would much rather whine at CCP to force high sec players through there territory, just so they have more pew pew at care bears expense.

Why is it that people think this game is for everyone?A better question would be "Why do some people think this game is only for them?"
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#48 - 2012-11-24 05:11:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Despite having a higher overall population, there are many less targets in 0.0. You can choose between bots that you can't catch, people in semi-pimped plex boats that you can't catch, or people looking for fights with capitals on standby. There is really no one to "pirate" there.


Confirming

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15114900

that

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15104548

there

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15124120

are

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15262978

no

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15271654

targets

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15246940

in

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15263020

nullsec

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15272123

Stop being bad.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15115042 < thanatos lol

Side note: Most of these kills were sub 20 man gang kills, and were all stuff I was personally involved in this month alone and I rarely undock.

So you know, you can hurf and durf about there not being anything to kill, or you can go kill something.

Okay, you linked a couple of kill mails, and all but one of them (a frigate, lol) have anywhere from one to two dozen involved parties. What exactly are you trying to prove? That there's stuff to kill in null, but I'm just too much of a sperg to make enough friends for the activity to be viable? What if I don't have twenty people for a "small gang?" What if I don't want to roll around with twenty people? Is 6,000 dps like the minimum requirement for pvp nowadays?

Keep in mind, I never argued that there's no stuff to kill in null. I just said that you get to kill more stuff, for less effort, in other areas of space. You want proof? Look at this character's kill board (one that supports engagement views). You'll see multiple battles where it's just myself, getting in some cases dozens of kills in a day.

I did the null-sec game. I did it for a long time; from 2004, right until wormholes came out. I have a solid basis for comparison here. Null is much worse than low in terms of target availability, and doesn't even begin to compare with high. And if even one or two hundred players like myself moved to null for piracy, it would become barren of mouth-breather activity within a week. Just look at how panicky people get over "afk cloakers." Now imagine what would happen if those Sanctum Tengus actually started getting snatched away in the middle of the night.

Is there pvp in null? Yes, there is. But not the kind that satisfies the conditions of piracy.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#49 - 2012-11-24 05:35:52 UTC  |  Edited by: SmilingVagrant
Destiny Corrupted wrote:

Okay, you linked a couple of kill mails, and all but one of them (a frigate, lol) have anywhere from one to two dozen involved parties. What exactly are you trying to prove? That there's stuff to kill in null, but I'm just too much of a sperg to make enough friends for the activity to be viable? What if I don't have twenty people for a "small gang?" What if I don't want to roll around with twenty people? Is 6,000 dps like the minimum requirement for pvp nowadays?

Keep in mind, I never argued that there's no stuff to kill in null. I just said that you get to kill more stuff, for less effort, in other areas of space. You want proof? Look at this character's kill board (one that supports engagement views). You'll see multiple battles where it's just myself, getting in some cases dozens of kills in a day.

I did the null-sec game. I did it for a long time; from 2004, right until wormholes came out. I have a solid basis for comparison here. Null is much worse than low in terms of target availability, and doesn't even begin to compare with high. And if even one or two hundred players like myself moved to null for piracy, it would become barren of mouth-breather activity within a week. Just look at how panicky people get over "afk cloakers." Now imagine what would happen if those Sanctum Tengus actually started getting snatched away in the middle of the night.

Is there pvp in null? Yes, there is. But not the kind that satisfies the conditions of piracy.


You are bad at reading, about half of those were in a falcon.

As far as the rest of your stupid question: Nullsec isn't for 4 man gangs. Soz.

But if you want proof you are wrong, go check Kovorix's killboards, he wanders out to null on occasion.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#50 - 2012-11-24 05:42:48 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
As far as the rest of your stupid question: Nullsec isn't for 4 man gangs. Soz.

Your opinion has been noted.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#51 - 2012-11-24 05:45:36 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:

Okay, you linked a couple of kill mails, and all but one of them (a frigate, lol) have anywhere from one to two dozen involved parties. What exactly are you trying to prove? That there's stuff to kill in null, but I'm just too much of a sperg to make enough friends for the activity to be viable? What if I don't have twenty people for a "small gang?" What if I don't want to roll around with twenty people? Is 6,000 dps like the minimum requirement for pvp nowadays?

Keep in mind, I never argued that there's no stuff to kill in null. I just said that you get to kill more stuff, for less effort, in other areas of space. You want proof? Look at this character's kill board (one that supports engagement views). You'll see multiple battles where it's just myself, getting in some cases dozens of kills in a day.

I did the null-sec game. I did it for a long time; from 2004, right until wormholes came out. I have a solid basis for comparison here. Null is much worse than low in terms of target availability, and doesn't even begin to compare with high. And if even one or two hundred players like myself moved to null for piracy, it would become barren of mouth-breather activity within a week. Just look at how panicky people get over "afk cloakers." Now imagine what would happen if those Sanctum Tengus actually started getting snatched away in the middle of the night.

Is there pvp in null? Yes, there is. But not the kind that satisfies the conditions of piracy.


You are bad at reading, about half of those were in a falcon.

As far as the rest of your stupid question: Nullsec isn't for 4 man gangs. Soz.

Apology accepted.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#52 - 2012-11-24 05:47:59 UTC  |  Edited by: SmilingVagrant
Let me get right on that.

Maybe you should go check Kovorix's killboard since he's actually good unlike say... you.

EDIT: I actually take back the 4 man comment. Go look up a little corp called ISRAD and get back to me.
dethleffs
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#53 - 2012-11-24 06:58:28 UTC
Desert Ice78 wrote:
The compelling reason is:

we shoot back.

That is all.



Indeed, compelling, too bad it isn't true.
svenska flicka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#54 - 2012-11-24 07:00:37 UTC
Julie Martins wrote:
So, you says that low sec mechanics are ok.

Should I assume that the "nerf high sec" post are troll posts?



Lowsec is better than ever now with factional warfare, 0.0 is garbage and highsec is crap while wormholes are isolation, lowsec is the best part of EVE right now.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#55 - 2012-11-24 07:03:58 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
I actually take back the 4 man comment. Go look up a little corp called ISRAD and get back to me.

Null-sec corporation has an active kill board. News at eleven.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#56 - 2012-11-24 07:21:30 UTC
Getting back to the OP, which was about why don't lowsex dudes go to 0.0. For some odd reason folks are under the assumption that people who live in 0.0 want everyone in high sec to come to 0.0 so they can prey on them. I don't want any of you to come to 0.0, I wish half the people that are here would get out.

Followed by some low sec dudes hurf blurfing about why 0.0 sucks and tru-viking pvp is found in high (lol!) and low sec. Killboards show that targets are found in all areas of space and are actively being engaged by gangs of all sizes and even spartan solo warriors.

So to answer the OP's question: it seems to me that lowsec dudes don't go to 0.0 because they don't want to. Cool

.
svenska flicka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-11-24 07:35:54 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:

So to answer the OP's question: it seems to me that lowsec dudes don't go to 0.0 because they don't want to. Cool


Dealing with 0.0 politics is as fun as pulling out a tooth at the dentist.
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#58 - 2012-11-24 07:45:38 UTC
svenska flicka wrote:
No More Heroes wrote:

So to answer the OP's question: it seems to me that lowsec dudes don't go to 0.0 because they don't want to. Cool


Dealing with 0.0 politics is as fun as pulling out a tooth at the dentist.


Upon observation, and seeing the way some 0.0 organizations are run, I would totally agree with you. And makes me thankful to be in a chill place for chill people like GSF. Smile

.
flakeys
Doomheim
#59 - 2012-11-24 10:51:50 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Let me get right on that.

Maybe you should go check Kovorix's killboard since he's actually good unlike say... you.

EDIT: I actually take back the 4 man comment. Go look up a little corp called ISRAD and get back to me.



Well in that comment lies the answer i wanted to give to the OP.There used to be a lot of actuall small gang fights in null years back but these last 4 years or so the sov null alliances/coalitions are so used to the blobfests that for them a small gang consists out of 25 guys.For a lot of pirates and the old school guard a small gang is between 2 to 6 guys or even better just solo.

Simple fact the guys who do a lot of null solo pvp are guys who are known by name and have a reputation , not because they are THAT more awsome compared to the old days but because they are a dying breed.Allmost no one like to spend a full night looking for a 1vs1 1vs2 fight and end up after 5 hours being blobbed by 25 guys.It's just simple really , we play for relaxation not to make it a perm job specially if you actually got work/kids etc alongside of it and just play casually.

As someone said a lot of the pirates are just 'old guys' who don't like the way null plays these days in regards to blobs etc. For me it is the reason i tend to pirate art times for relaxation and why i am in npc null again as of short.If i had to choose between old null or piracy i'd play old null , if i had to choose between sov null currently or piracy i'd vote piracy.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#60 - 2012-11-24 11:07:02 UTC
The day null died for me was the day that my small N-RAEL camp was dropped by 33 supercarriers and a single Thanatos. I don't remember who it was, but I remember one of them calling us "pussie fagets" when we ran away.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted