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Blood Electrum Tags

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Riddick Liddell
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-11-23 09:43:05 UTC
Does any one know why these things defy the reproc law on electrum tags?

They run for around 40-50K each while every other tag is at it's reproc value based on 6 Noxc and 2 Isogen.

Does it have some use I can't find?
Rengerel en Distel
#2 - 2012-11-23 14:36:20 UTC
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Data_Centers

Could just be manipulation or lack of supply keeping the prices higher though.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

Riddick Liddell
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-11-23 15:16:10 UTC
It's a weird one for sure.

It might have came from an old stack dump that showed the drop ratio for them to be far below the rest.

Of course I have yet to this day figured out why Guristas Brass go for so much.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#4 - 2012-11-24 01:38:38 UTC
Riddick Liddell wrote:
Of course I have yet to this day figured out why Guristas Brass go for so much.


I think I know why.

The main high-sec Caldari Data Center has level 1 agents, level 3 agents and level 4 agents. The level 1 ones are easily accessible, you don't need much standing to get their tag-hand-in misisons. The tags they require are Silver, Bronze and Brass. Just about anyone can hand in those tags to get a quick standing boost.

The level 3 and level 4 agents require much more standing to access (3.00+ and 5.00+, respectively) and so very few players can access them, even after having done the level 1 agents and trained the Connections skill. So the tags they require aren't in high demand. Platinum, Diamond, Crystal, Palladium, Gold and one more. Oh yes, I just remembered: Electrum.

Copper tags work differently, though. For Caldari, you hand them in at 3 different Data Centers, the main one and 2 more. And you don't need a lot of standing to do that. So they ought to be quite expensive. They aren't, or at least not as wildly expensive as I'd expect.

One reason might be that it's a hassle to have to visit 2 other Data Centers to hand in the remaining 2/3 of the copper tags, and a lot of the high price for Bronze and Brass (and Silver to a lesser extent) is that it's super convenient, just fly to one place, hand in those (and the 3 Copper) to get a standing boost.

Another reason might be that Copper tags drop more often than the other ones, at least the other low-end ones required for the level 1 agents. Combined with the fact that you only need 9 Copper tags (3x3), whereas you need 20 of each of the other ones. I don't know whether that's the case, though.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#5 - 2012-11-24 04:42:41 UTC
HINT:

it has to do with profitable economics, and no its not about simply selling high and buying low.

HINT 2:

it has something to do with EPIC ARC
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-11-24 04:50:26 UTC
Salpad wrote:
Riddick Liddell wrote:
Of course I have yet to this day figured out why Guristas Brass go for so much.


I think I know why.

The main high-sec Caldari Data Center has level 1 agents, level 3 agents and level 4 agents. The level 1 ones are easily accessible, you don't need much standing to get their tag-hand-in misisons. The tags they require are Silver, Bronze and Brass. Just about anyone can hand in those tags to get a quick standing boost.

The level 3 and level 4 agents require much more standing to access (3.00+ and 5.00+, respectively) and so very few players can access them, even after having done the level 1 agents and trained the Connections skill. So the tags they require aren't in high demand. Platinum, Diamond, Crystal, Palladium, Gold and one more. Oh yes, I just remembered: Electrum.



I recently did the Amarr data centers so I don't know from experience how the Caldari missions are setup, but I would assume they are very simular (in regards to standing requirements, standing increases, etc).

The amount of corp standing gained from the first few handins were high enough to not need to grind additional standing. After all hand ins I had corp standings just under 6.0, and only did did a few missions before hand to get access to the data enter mission runners.
Riddick Liddell
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-11-24 17:33:59 UTC
Kara Books wrote:
HINT:

it has to do with profitable economics, and no its not about simply selling high and buying low.

HINT 2:

it has something to do with EPIC ARC


I've never done Epic Arc. TY

As for Data Center, those are all one time only and they aren't all they are cracked up to be. I did them for Gallente but when I did them I had 6.0 with Gallente and cherry picked the tags based on their costs and what I had in my assets. I then went and grabbed a bunch of copper for Caldari and started to do those, only to find out it was pushing Gallente back down so I never even completed the opening courier ones. I thought the trade off was because they were one time, you got immunity from opposite faction damage. It seems not.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#8 - 2012-11-25 13:37:25 UTC
Riddick Liddell wrote:

I've never done Epic Arc. TY

As for Data Center, those are all one time only and they aren't all they are cracked up to be. I did them for Gallente but when I did them I had 6.0 with Gallente and cherry picked the tags based on their costs and what I had in my assets. I then went and grabbed a bunch of copper for Caldari and started to do those, only to find out it was pushing Gallente back down so I never even completed the opening courier ones. I thought the trade off was because they were one time, you got immunity from opposite faction damage. It seems not.


It's not 1:1, though. If you gain 0.1 with Caldari, you might lose something like 0.05 with Gallente and 0.03 with Minmatar.
Riddick Liddell
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-11-25 14:14:16 UTC
Salpad wrote:
Riddick Liddell wrote:

I've never done Epic Arc. TY

As for Data Center, those are all one time only and they aren't all they are cracked up to be. I did them for Gallente but when I did them I had 6.0 with Gallente and cherry picked the tags based on their costs and what I had in my assets. I then went and grabbed a bunch of copper for Caldari and started to do those, only to find out it was pushing Gallente back down so I never even completed the opening courier ones. I thought the trade off was because they were one time, you got immunity from opposite faction damage. It seems not.


It's not 1:1, though. If you gain 0.1 with Caldari, you might lose something like 0.05 with Gallente and 0.03 with Minmatar.


I don't know how it compares to just using repeatable agents over these. I saw it from a recovery value and how long it takes to do 16 missions and get a story line.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#10 - 2012-11-28 21:58:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Brewlar Kuvakei
The tags are used to buy standing instantly via data center and that is why they can be expensive. You can buy 5.0 Standing from any of the 4 high sec faction for around 500 to 700m ISK you will have to also do the COSMO missions which can be done instantly by buying the mission item off contract in system (people farm the tags and COSMO items so you can do this). Using the data center of the ally faction and doing their Cosmo will knock your standing up to 7.0 on both which is handy for trading. IE (Dodixie and Rens) or (Amarr and Jita).

Anyway people would rather spend 500m to instantly get 5.0 faction standing to put up a POS and get better deals on both market and refining rather than grinding the standings via missions. I despise EVE PVE and was happy to pay the 500m.

The market of tags at the data center is worth 1 isking you will get a good turn around if you are looking far a market and happen to be near the data center or cosmo agent hand in.
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-11-29 01:38:15 UTC
That still doesn't explain the anomaly.

Gurista Electrum 5-7K
Sansha Electrum 5-7K
Serpentis Electrum 5-7K
Angel Electrum 5-7K

Blood Electrum 40K +

There are plenty on the market. There is no strategic advantage to Amarr standings over the other three races. Quite the contrary, Caldari has a strategic advantage due to Jita.

Data center missions aren't exclusive to Blood. It's just weird.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#12 - 2012-12-28 08:55:41 UTC
There are also some low and null sec sites where rooms can be bypassed via having certain keys which will drive the price up. Some other keys just have much smaller drop rates too.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#13 - 2012-12-28 10:16:17 UTC
Riddick Liddell wrote:
Kara Books wrote:
HINT:

it has to do with profitable economics, and no its not about simply selling high and buying low.

HINT 2:

it has something to do with EPIC ARC


I've never done Epic Arc. TY

As for Data Center, those are all one time only and they aren't all they are cracked up to be. I did them for Gallente but when I did them I had 6.0 with Gallente and cherry picked the tags based on their costs and what I had in my assets. I then went and grabbed a bunch of copper for Caldari and started to do those, only to find out it was pushing Gallente back down so I never even completed the opening courier ones. I thought the trade off was because they were one time, you got immunity from opposite faction damage. It seems not.



Remember, when you're sitting at 6.0, the boost you get is significantly smaller (in actual numbers) than if you were doing it with a lower standing.

The change is based on how far you are away from 10. so a 5% boost is great at 0.01, and virtually non-existant at 9.9.


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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#14 - 2012-12-28 16:33:27 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Riddick Liddell wrote:
Kara Books wrote:
HINT:

it has to do with profitable economics, and no its not about simply selling high and buying low.

HINT 2:

it has something to do with EPIC ARC


I've never done Epic Arc. TY

As for Data Center, those are all one time only and they aren't all they are cracked up to be. I did them for Gallente but when I did them I had 6.0 with Gallente and cherry picked the tags based on their costs and what I had in my assets. I then went and grabbed a bunch of copper for Caldari and started to do those, only to find out it was pushing Gallente back down so I never even completed the opening courier ones. I thought the trade off was because they were one time, you got immunity from opposite faction damage. It seems not.



Remember, when you're sitting at 6.0, the boost you get is significantly smaller (in actual numbers) than if you were doing it with a lower standing.

The change is based on how far you are away from 10. so a 5% boost is great at 0.01, and virtually non-existant at 9.9.


(You might know this. Many people don't.)


The opening question seems to be about the anomoly of blood though.
Why Blood and not the other 3? Of all the nations and tag requirements, why Blood? It's not like everyone is running for Amarr space.