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QUIZZA
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#101 - 2012-11-23 00:58:26 UTC
I like shooting my autocannons and collecting corpses from noobies. We should fleet up ingame and run some lvl 4's or.......Pirate

"A Throne is but a seat covered in Velvet" Napoleon
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#102 - 2012-11-23 05:08:01 UTC
Lashauna wrote:
why every where in EVE, people always want to kill you? is this all EVE is all about? who can kill who first?

Yes.

This is the equivilent of playing Hello Kitty Online and wondering, "wheres all the pvpers? is this all HKO is about? just minigames and stuff?"

You've chosen to play a hardcore pvp mmo, and wonder why theres so much pvp.

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Xiode
Nemesis Logistics
Goonswarm Federation
#103 - 2012-11-23 05:31:04 UTC
I just want to spread pain and misery.
The CandyGirl
Candy's Toy Shop
#104 - 2012-11-23 07:16:53 UTC
Because everything in eve is risk vs reward. Or in the case of suicide ganking cost vs reward.

Because in most mmos there is 0 risk for pvping so you dont care if you die. In eve since you loose your ship etc efc you are more likly to do whatever it takes to make sure you live and you apponent dies.

And ass for pod killing.... quickest way to -10..... annnd just because. There are other reasons but that was the main reason i did it in my pirate days.

Being a smartass is always better than being a dumbass!
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#105 - 2012-11-23 07:33:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Eugene Kerner
I am a Pod Goo Miner. Since Pod Goo was banned from the belts way back when Scorps still were imba I had to find another source. Regretably I have to relieve people of their ships first as most pods are surrounded by them...I really would prefer otherwise as it costs extra for the ammo but thats just how it is.
Until now I only accomplished to collect about 590 000 m³ of pod goo, which is not much compared to the amount of Quafe consumed in my Constellation alone ... and where do you think it comes from?
hard times...

TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] "   CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a diȼk joke." Robin Williams - RIP
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#106 - 2012-11-23 08:22:36 UTC
Freighter ganking didn't start with tier 3 BCs. Just FYI.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Valleria Darkmoon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#107 - 2012-11-23 08:39:04 UTC
Whatever your ship is carrying is potentially valuable to me.

Are you going to give me a cargo manifest if I see you in space? No.

Am I going to waste time reading/believe you if I do get one? No.

Since I never fit cargo scanners it's best to just cut out the middle man and rip open your hauler like a 6-year-old on Christmas morning.

By the way, honor and stupid are synonyms, once you learn this simple rule the game will get better for you.

TL;DR: In answer to op: YES.

Reality has an almost infinite capacity to resist oversimplification.
Valleria Darkmoon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#108 - 2012-11-23 08:41:53 UTC
Doddy wrote:
Podkilling is a bit different, there is no gain.

Incorrect.

Without this the market for the implants I sell to make money would be very stagnant.

Reality has an almost infinite capacity to resist oversimplification.
Riddick Liddell
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2012-11-23 09:05:08 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Freighter ganking didn't start with tier 3 BCs. Just FYI.


True but farming them in High Sec did.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#110 - 2012-11-23 09:34:47 UTC
Riddick Liddell wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Freighter ganking didn't start with tier 3 BCs. Just FYI.


True but farming them in High Sec did.


Agreed, but it would work just as well with other ships that have been in the game since pretty much the beginning. Indeed, a year or two ago, conditions were more favourable (lower ship prices, insurance). It was merely that many fewer people did it.

If empire is still safe enough that people are frequently AFKing with valuable cargoes then that's a prima facia indication that ganking is not so widespread or overpowered as to require dev intervention.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#111 - 2012-11-23 10:12:29 UTC
People will do unspeakable things to your ship, your cargo, your wallet, your trust, your wreck and quite possibly your corpse... because you let them. That's the bit you need to understand, this IS a pewpew/lolrape game mostly (in various forms) and the trick to being successful is learning how to avoid getting raped sideways. It's not difficult to learn to avoid all this stuff, even at a young age you can learn it just fine and do well because of it but it DOES require active effort to learn and put it in practise.

That's the thing, you're safe(ish) as long as you put in the active effort to BE safe and this goes for all things, if you don't then people will take advantage, as they should.
Riddick Liddell
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2012-11-23 10:22:34 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Riddick Liddell wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Freighter ganking didn't start with tier 3 BCs. Just FYI.


True but farming them in High Sec did.


Agreed, but it would work just as well with other ships that have been in the game since pretty much the beginning. Indeed, a year or two ago, conditions were more favourable (lower ship prices, insurance). It was merely that many fewer people did it.

If empire is still safe enough that people are frequently AFKing with valuable cargoes then that's a prima facia indication that ganking is not so widespread or overpowered as to require dev intervention.


Riddick Liddell wrote:


Using the current Uedama system, for five years a guy in Detroit could jump in their freighter and set auto pilot. Instead of just logging out of EVE and going to bed he could stay logged in and lat Auto pilot take him to Jita with a load of stuff. Something he wouldn't have done if there was no auto pilot. Then cam Tier 3 Battle Cruisers and 6 or 7 of them could take a freighter down in under 5 seconds and something that worked for 5 years no longer works.

If a Null sec alliance is willing to pay for a kill mail, no math is in the favor of anyone running a freighter. An Empty freighter is a 1.6 billion ISK loss. The ships you need to kill it cost less. People won't re learn what they could do for 5 years and now can't do until they lose a ship. So the slaughter will continue until every freighter pilot takes a week off work to play EVE Learning curve and figuring out that auto pilot is now a death sentence. My wager, they will just quit playing EVE and CCP seem content to see them go. That makes it no longer my affair.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#113 - 2012-11-23 17:54:01 UTC
Riddick Liddell wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Freighter ganking didn't start with tier 3 BCs. Just FYI.


True but farming them in High Sec did.


No, that happened 7 years ago.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#114 - 2012-11-23 18:15:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Ocih
baltec1 wrote:
Riddick Liddell wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Freighter ganking didn't start with tier 3 BCs. Just FYI.


True but farming them in High Sec did.


No, that happened 7 years ago.


No it didn't. High Sec freighter kills always happened. It wasn't until just recently they started to happen a dozen times a day, every day.

It's all good though. Everyone in EVE is a big bad pee vee pee wolf, you need something set yourself apart from the mundane. So you huff and you puff and you blow the AFK freighter up. We get it. Some strut in a Nyx, some strut in an officer fit Machariel, you strut with AFK freighter farming in Uedama.
Mire Stoude
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#115 - 2012-11-23 18:24:19 UTC
Thrill of the chase.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#116 - 2012-11-23 18:26:16 UTC
Mire Stoude wrote:
Thrill of the chase.


True! Nano fit freighters are OP
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#117 - 2012-11-23 18:30:12 UTC
Ocih wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Riddick Liddell wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Freighter ganking didn't start with tier 3 BCs. Just FYI.


True but farming them in High Sec did.


No, that happened 7 years ago.


No it didn't. High Sec freighter kills always happened. It wasn't until just recently they started to happen a dozen times a day, every day.

It's all good though. Everyone in EVE is a big bad pee vee pee wolf, you need something set yourself apart from the mundane. So you huff and you puff and you blow the AFK freighter up. We get it. Some strut in a Nyx, some strut in an officer fit Machariel, you strut with AFK freighter farming in Uedama.


We might be the best at it but we were not the first to farm them.
Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
#118 - 2012-11-23 18:51:11 UTC
Respect. Cool

As a Merchant of Death dealing in all of the tools of WAR, I wholeheartedly endorse the player driven interaction being discussed.

Clearly you "should and have too" lose your big hauler when floating through space from gate to gate afk. It "IS" just that kind of thing that keeps the economic ball rolling in the game and "MUST" continue to occur.

It is a true PITA to manually fly them, but those are the breaks and risks of afk floating in 2012 EVE.
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#119 - 2012-11-23 18:55:14 UTC
It would just seem that we're not nearly as concerned about your theory that all the AFK freighter pilots will wringy-hands-rage-quit when they discover they're still subject to explosion like everyone else. It's interesting, it's almost like nobody gives a flying F#[€...

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Ocih
Space Mermaids
#120 - 2012-11-23 18:57:05 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
It would just seem that we're not nearly as concerned about your theory that all the AFK freighter pilots will wringy-hands-rage-quit when they discover they're still subject to explosion like everyone else. It's interesting, it's almost like nobody gives a flying F#[€...


Nooo

They huffed and they puffed and they blowed the AFK freighter up.

The little piggy will rage quit damn it.