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Battlecruisers?

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Pattern Clarc
Citeregis
#1 - 2011-10-21 01:54:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Pattern Clarc
I guess this heavily applies...
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c384/ydralisk/crystalballpng-1.png

But, would rather address this now than later.

Rumour has it that the 4 new ships will be entering EVE as battlecruisers this winter. Whilst on the surface I can see why you would think this is a good idea - ie, battlecruisers are the most popular ship class, and there are only 8 types of battlecruiser compared to 12 types of battleships, I would like to present a few reasons why this may be a mistake.

1) You already have 4 battlecruisers virtually no one flys.
The idea of tiericide has gained a lot of momentum over the last few years, IE the normalising of stats between the two tiers of battlecruisers so that both are either tier 1 or tier 2 (in terms of fittings, performance and cost). Why add 4 new battlecruisers in this context?

2) Although there are only two tiers of battlecruisers, the overlap between battlecruisers and HAC's, commandships, strategic cruisers, and if they decide to go ewar, recons/t1 cruisers, is extreme to the point of stifling; and thats before thinking of faction variants. Whether it be weapon systems, range, speed, capacitor, active tanking, slot layouts or overall roles, too much has been done over and over again, at different price points and with little difference in style. Tech 1 Battleships for the most part, stand alone.

3) Battleships have more slots, more slots = greater variety of possibilities in terms of slot layout and purposes that we can't do already. It's something I just don't see being possible with another set of BC's.

4) Note the number of ships you've trained large hybrid turret V for instance, and compare it with the number of ships Medium Hybrid turret applies to... No, I'm not asking for this SP to mean that I dominate all other ships as reward for being a :vet: but it would be nice to have more than 6 (including the rokh) none faction ships that skill could apply to.

5) Although the new BC's and BS's came out at the same time, it feels that BS's could use the biggest shake up. Probably due to the fact T3's are relatively recent and feel more or less like battlecruisers any way.

Like a mentioned, rumour and stuffs, but if you are on this path and there is time to reconsider, you should.

Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-10-21 02:03:03 UTC
I have all turret types and sizes at 5, all specs to 4. I'm not noticing anything other than I can fit turrets to all ships Big smile

That being said my missile skills are a little behind... heavy assault missiles somehow slipped through Sad

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Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#3 - 2011-10-21 02:06:02 UTC
If somebody doesn't want' a Tech 2 Hurricane, there's something seriously wrong with them


^
Completely ignores good OP post

It would be better if they made everything less redundant, then added more things, as you essentially said.

The pie is a tautology

non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#4 - 2011-10-21 02:06:38 UTC  |  Edited by: non judgement
Are the battlecruisers operational?


I thought they were going to be battleships.
Why would they be battlecruisers?
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-10-21 02:08:03 UTC
I want a tech 2 hurricane Sad

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Pattern Clarc
Citeregis
#6 - 2011-10-21 02:24:24 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
I want a tech 2 hurricane Sad

The Loki and Machariel come close for now... :P

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Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#7 - 2011-10-21 02:30:32 UTC
Pattern Clarc wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
I want a tech 2 hurricane Sad

The Loki and Machariel come close for now... :P



................Not close enough
Big smile

But really, who doesn't want to see a RF Hurricane with moar hitpoints, moar slots & better PG? Nobody I say. The Hurricane may be the poor man's star destroyer, but damn is it amazing

The pie is a tautology

Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
#8 - 2011-10-21 02:41:32 UTC
The rumor that OP is referring to was the one he started in this thread half an hour ago you newbs Roll

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Alara IonStorm
#9 - 2011-10-21 02:47:01 UTC
Dirk Magnum wrote:
The rumor that OP is referring to was the one he started in this thread half an hour ago you newbs Roll

What in Gods name are you talking about? Roll

Everyone is ignoring the OP and talking about imaginary T2 Hurricanes.

I would like it to have 5 Mids.
Jooce McNasty
Islefive Consulting
#10 - 2011-10-21 02:54:25 UTC
I would rather see more T3 ships in different sizes then see another standard tier of Battle cruiser, or Battle ship. The functionality of T3's and the versatility of them makes them stand out over all other ships.

Pattern Clarc
Citeregis
#11 - 2011-10-21 02:56:56 UTC
Dirk Magnum wrote:
The rumor that OP is referring to was the one he started in this thread half an hour ago you newbs Roll

Quoting what may become an epic quote.

Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction

Pattern Clarc
Citeregis
#12 - 2011-10-21 02:57:51 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Dirk Magnum wrote:
The rumor that OP is referring to was the one he started in this thread half an hour ago you newbs Roll

What in Gods name are you talking about? Roll

Everyone is ignoring the OP and talking about imaginary T2 Hurricanes.

I would like it to have 5 Mids.

I see what you did there.

Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2011-10-21 03:01:17 UTC
Lol

Nice one.

I thought this thread was for real, then I remembered I was in General Discussion.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2011-10-21 03:26:57 UTC
Ok, now that we have that out of the way we can get back to the T2 Hurricanes.... also the RF Hurricanes.

I think the T2 Cane should be gunmetal (like the Sleipnir) with a red trim and get bonuses to medium turret damage and falloff.

The RF Cane should be painted in the same way the RF Typhoon is to keep with flow of RF ships. It should have more medium slots and give bonuses to AB/MWD speed and medium turret RoF.

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Alara IonStorm
#15 - 2011-10-21 03:32:35 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Ok, now that we have that out of the way we can get back to the T2 Hurricanes.... also the RF Hurricanes.

I think the T2 Cane should be gunmetal (like the Sleipnir) with a red trim and get bonuses to medium turret damage and falloff.

The RF Cane should be painted in the same way the RF Typhoon is to keep with flow of RF ships. It should have more medium slots and give bonuses to AB/MWD speed and medium turret RoF.

Perhaps like the Fleet Tempest the Fleet Hurricane should be Armor Oriented whilst the T2 Version could be Shield.
stoicfaux
#16 - 2011-10-21 03:44:45 UTC
Introduce new BCs that require BC V + Racial Cruiser V to fly as a means to encourage people to sub for the two months it takes to train those skills. Folks who already have the skills (aka bittervets) get instant gratification and probably already have the isk to pay the early adopter surcharge making manufacturers happy.

For bonus points, throw in some hard to get wormhole/null-only components to keep the industrialists, organized corps, and/or alliances busy. To be really obnoxious, make it a LP store only BPC as a means to sink all that incursion LP laying around.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Pattern Clarc
Citeregis
#17 - 2011-10-21 03:51:27 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Introduce new BCs that require BC V + Racial Cruiser V to fly as a means to encourage people to sub for the two months it takes to train those skills. Folks who already have the skills (aka bittervets) get instant gratification and probably already have the isk to pay the early adopter surcharge making manufacturers happy.

Aren't those called commandships?

Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction

Cherry Nobyl
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-10-21 03:52:21 UTC
Pattern Clarc wrote:
I guess this heavily applies...
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c384/ydralisk/crystalballpng-1.png

But, would rather address this now than later.

Rumour has it that the 4 new ships will be entering EVE as battlecruisers this winter. Whilst on the surface I can see why you would think this is a good idea - ie, battlecruisers are the most popular ship class, and there are only 8 types of battlecruiser compared to 12 types of battleships, I would like to present a few reasons why this may be a mistake.




rumor, markets and fortunes have risen and fallen on rumor.

but...battlecruisers? really? i'd find that highly suspect.

if there were a direction i'd see them go with the tornado and co, it would be as t2 battleships. it's the one ship type that has no tech 2 variant outside of highly unused black ops versions.
Pattern Clarc
Citeregis
#19 - 2011-10-21 03:52:24 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Lol

Nice one.

I thought this thread was for real, then I remembered I was in General Discussion.

We'll find out soonish, if right, congrats for posting on page one.

Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction

Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Doomheim
#20 - 2011-10-21 03:52:36 UTC
T2 Hurricane is nice.

But don't forget the Harby!

I want my T2 Harby to have red-tinted metal, like the Paladin.
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