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How Hard is it to join a major Nullsec Alliance/ elite PvP gang
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Christopher AET
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-11-23 04:18:12 UTC
First you must cut down the mightiest tree in the forest...with a herring. Then you shall fetch us a shrubbery. Then you must bring us...another shrubbery. When you have found the shrubbery, place the shrubbery here, beside the first shrubbery ... only slightly higher, so you get a two-level effect with a path through the middle.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2012-11-23 04:20:30 UTC
Christopher AET wrote:
First you must cut down the mightiest tree in the forest...with a herring. Then you shall fetch us a shrubbery. Then you must bring us...another shrubbery. When you have found the shrubbery, place the shrubbery here, beside the first shrubbery ... only slightly higher, so you get a two-level effect with a path through the middle.


None shall pass

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#43 - 2012-11-23 04:21:54 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
If you are 5.0 sec status with no pvp history and no significant corp activity in the past then what can you actually offer to a PVP corp?

It;s like going into a job interview with no CV and no proof that you are in any way competent. Join some random fleets, join in on roams as a guest, join RvB, Eve Uni, maybe even ask Snigg; and heaven forbid you try some solo PvP or show any initiative.

Don't expect to just get in by talking. Prove you deserve to be there, or join someone incompetent like Intrepid Crossing who will accept anyone.


That's the kind of stuff that will always keep a substantial amount of people well out of 0.0 corps.

There's a constant cry to get people out in null sec but they have to forcibly like to PvP and have records of it.
At the same time, there's a constant cry to nerf those who just don't like to (spaceships) PvP and thus are denied any access to get to 0.0.

This is quite an hypocrisy that it's imposed on a sizable amount of the playerbase.

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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#44 - 2012-11-23 04:46:02 UTC
Borascus wrote:

I'd only really join a corp that has one requirement - Comms, any other comms or combination of comms is a liability.


Yes, having a jabber server to ping me that something interesting going on while I'm playing X-Com or jerking off is a terrible thing.
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#45 - 2012-11-23 04:46:51 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

There's a constant cry to get people out in null sec but they have to forcibly like to PvP and have records of it.
At the same time, there's a constant cry to nerf those who just don't like to (spaceships) PvP and thus are denied any access to get to 0.0.

This is quite an hypocrisy that it's imposed on a sizable amount of the playerbase.

Most large 0.0 pvp alliances have a 'carebear' sister corp, who only recruits carebears to live in 0.0 for mining/ratting/etc. You dont need any pvp history at all to join these.

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#46 - 2012-11-23 04:47:27 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

That's the kind of stuff that will always keep a substantial amount of people well out of 0.0 corps.

There's a constant cry to get people out in null sec but they have to forcibly like to PvP and have records of it.
At the same time, there's a constant cry to nerf those who just don't like to (spaceships) PvP and thus are denied any access to get to 0.0.

This is quite an hypocrisy that it's imposed on a sizable amount of the playerbase.


Why would you even want to move to conquerable space if you have no interest in fighting?
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#47 - 2012-11-23 04:51:53 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

That's the kind of stuff that will always keep a substantial amount of people well out of 0.0 corps.

There's a constant cry to get people out in null sec but they have to forcibly like to PvP and have records of it.
At the same time, there's a constant cry to nerf those who just don't like to (spaceships) PvP and thus are denied any access to get to 0.0.

This is quite an hypocrisy that it's imposed on a sizable amount of the playerbase.


Why would you even want to move to conquerable space if you have no interest in fighting?




The whole point is that people do want to PvP but cannot get in without a lot of stipulations.
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Nikodiemus
Ganja Clade
Shadow Cartel
#48 - 2012-11-23 04:52:42 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
Ive been looking into this recently as ive read to many posts about nullsecers bemoaning that highsec people wont try nullsec. So i thought i would try to see how easy it was to join up.

So the question is, how hard is it to join a nullsec alliance [...]

The conclusion is that the big nullsec alliances do not recruit through normal channels.


So i tried again with a more credible PvP corp who before i talked about my skills had kicked me for lack of killboard.

But i tend to live solo in Russian space, Why.....BECAUSE ITS FULL OF RUSSIANS. The area is the ultimate finishing school for anyone who lives in nullsec/lowsec.

So apart from the Goons who have their own incestious relationship with this game how easily would it be to join a major and successful powerblock or elite small/medium gang in nullsec.

And how long should i bother before i either give up or stick to Russian space or highsec.
[...]


There is so much wrong with this post I had to selectively comment on what I felt was most prevalent.

Joinging a null sec alliance is easy if you are willing to put forth the effort to contribute. Null isn't like highsec where any POS alliance or corp can exist without merit. To live in null you must either pay, fight, or negotiate your way in.

Living only in Russian space and only knowing Russian EVE culture is just asking to never leave your own personal bubble.

Also, Goons may be the wanna be pain in the ass of Eve, but they play the game for the same reasons as anyone: fight, profit, screw others, and enjoy what a free universe offers.

I joined my first null alliance as a total newb. The alliance taught me, killed me, scorned me, and nurtured me. In the end, I didn't blink at nullsec nonsense, I never feared the "terrible horror" of 0.0, I loved my alliance like a second home, and the game became more valuable than just the personal solo player BS I had been playing.

If you play alone you are losing out.

P.S. Goons may be dicks but they also have the best new player guides, wikis, and peer help in the entire world of EVE, including the **** poor efforts CCP makes for their new player experience.
Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-11-23 04:57:21 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
Ive been looking into this recently as ive read to many posts about nullsecers bemoaning that highsec people wont try nullsec. So i thought i would try to see how easy it was to join up.

So the question is, how hard is it to join a nullsec alliance (i wont name the major ones as trolling will commence)
How hard is it to join a nullsec alliance? Well that all depends on your standards. Some nullsec alliances can be fun to run with. Most are not. Typically the easier it is to get into a nullsec alliance, the worse they are. The ones that aren't recruiting don't really need to recruit so it's a bit harder to get in.

Newer nullsec alliances are often pets to larger more established ones. These new alliances have to show off how awesome they are so they killboard hoar, their FCs scream and whine on coms, they have 24/7 mandatory CTAs (some claim they don't, but they really do. They just call it something else). They have poor ship replacement program if any at all. And generally they treat their members as disposable garbage.

On the flip side, super large nullsec alliances can be boring. They're in no danger of ever being kicked out of nullsec. Anything short of a game changing mechanic or large numbers of top ranking defectors will not hurt them. Goons and Test will never go away. They will never be destroyed nor uprooted. They will never be brought down

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#50 - 2012-11-23 05:31:13 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

That's the kind of stuff that will always keep a substantial amount of people well out of 0.0 corps.

There's a constant cry to get people out in null sec but they have to forcibly like to PvP and have records of it.
At the same time, there's a constant cry to nerf those who just don't like to (spaceships) PvP and thus are denied any access to get to 0.0.

This is quite an hypocrisy that it's imposed on a sizable amount of the playerbase.


Why would you even want to move to conquerable space if you have no interest in fighting?


Have you asked this question to the pipeline technicians who are sent to some often-in-war middle eastern country?
Their reply could be enlightening.

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2012-11-23 05:56:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Karn Dulake wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

That's the kind of stuff that will always keep a substantial amount of people well out of 0.0 corps.

There's a constant cry to get people out in null sec but they have to forcibly like to PvP and have records of it.
At the same time, there's a constant cry to nerf those who just don't like to (spaceships) PvP and thus are denied any access to get to 0.0.

This is quite an hypocrisy that it's imposed on a sizable amount of the playerbase.


Why would you even want to move to conquerable space if you have no interest in fighting?




The whole point is that people do want to PvP but cannot get in without a lot of stipulations.


Incorrect...

You can PVP without joining a corp. Showing initiative will have have corps asking you to join them without you making the effort of looking for a corp.

Stipulation and SP limits are there to scare those that take chances away.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Ghazu
#52 - 2012-11-23 06:14:49 UTC
But you don't want to join a null alliance stop trolling.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#53 - 2012-11-23 06:22:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Ocih
Ghazu wrote:
But you don't want to join a null alliance stop trolling.


That's not true.

If large alliances looked at all mails, and judged based on participation I would agree. They don't do that. They look at wins though. Lets be realistic, I could show you 500 kill mails of me trying to break an -A- line alone and getting my ass handed to me every time and sure, I would be a great joke on the forums but nobody would see me and say, wow that's a determined pilot. They will only see a 'bad at EVE' player.

I showed up in Uedama to 'combat the piracy'.
I failed, I was bugshit on a bumper but I tried. It won't get added to my EVE resume though.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2012-11-23 06:31:54 UTC
How do you know that if you don't try?
Chances are there's more than a few corps out there that'll take you for that.

Feel free to look at my combat record prior to joining RAZOR. You'll see it wasn't really all that great.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Ghazu
#55 - 2012-11-23 07:51:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Ghazu
Ocih wrote:
Ghazu wrote:
But you don't want to join a null alliance stop trolling.


That's not true.

If large alliances looked at all mails, and judged based on participation I would agree. They don't do that. They look at wins though. Lets be realistic, I could show you 500 kill mails of me trying to break an -A- line alone and getting my ass handed to me every time and sure, I would be a great joke on the forums but nobody would see me and say, wow that's a determined pilot. They will only see a 'bad at EVE' player.

I showed up in Uedama to 'combat the piracy'.
I failed, I was bugshit on a bumper but I tried. It won't get added to my EVE resume though.

lol -A-, why don't you aim for Black Legion or NCdot *or Nulli, they fought like the devil.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2012-11-23 08:26:04 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Karn Dulake wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
It's actually very easy to join us compared to most nullsec alliances.



Would that be the 500 million isk up front kind of easy?

No, it's the "send your application in and fill out a questionnaire and give us your API key" kind of easy.



Pretty much this for everyone really. Also, full api (including mail and transactions) or its a solid no. Anyone who drops security for the sake of gaining one more player is doing it wrong. No one cares how much isk you have or how you get it, they are looking for player donations to or from blacklisted people or known enemies, not how many salvager 1 units you sold last week.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2012-11-23 09:03:12 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Have you asked this question to the pipeline technicians who are sent to some often-in-war middle eastern country?
Their reply could be enlightening.


This may shock you, but they apply for those jobs, they're not "sent". They're also compensated far, far better for their dangerous work than they would be at home, which doesn't line up with Eve at all.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Speedkermit Damo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2012-11-23 09:52:32 UTC
It's extremely easy. Simply post a thread in the recruitment forums and watch the offers come in. I did this myself, and even though I'm a 2 million skillpoint noob. I must of had about 20 invites.

Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2012-11-23 10:23:49 UTC  |  Edited by: March rabbit
The Protato wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
No, it's the "send your application in and fill out a questionnaire and give us your API key" kind of easy.


Not to mention the "Be on our forums for three months and participate and be screened by six kinds of anal probe" easy

i'm not sure which one from these 2 things is more unpleasant What?

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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#60 - 2012-11-23 10:31:56 UTC
You know what the truth is like, don´t you?

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