EVE General Discussion

Have you actually, you know, tried asking around?

My corp wouldn't instantly turn someone down because they live in High Sec. We might turn you down because we think you're a moron, but thats why we have a recruitment process, to stop morons from getting in (apart from me ofc).




A couple of things:

1. By simply joining a corp you're being handed a lot of trust and information. Case in point: If you got into my relatively small corp you'd get access to THREE alliance forums, their jabber pings, their ship fittings etc. You could very easily be a spy, yet you want them to trust you with all that information.
2. I couldn't care less if 1% of Amarr isk is traded through your characters. If I wanted to be a market trader I'd be down in High Sec. What I am interested in is seeing any payments that say "Here, take this money and the cyanide pill to infiltrate their corp, from me: Vince Draken, Espionage Master Supreme".
3. Unless you're Space Romney rich there are probably plenty of people just as rich as you in the alliance. If you ARE Space Romney rich then why the hell would they kick you? Much better to indoctrinate you and shake you down for money when they are desperate.

Cool don't join us then, or any really successful PvP Null Sec bloc, because:

1. Comms is essential, nuff said.
2. Full API is often essential to weed out spies, see above. You expect trust with no trust given in return. How selfish.
3. References are sometimes required to make sure you've spoken to someone in the corp for more than 5 minutes
4. IRC/Jabber is amazing. Not only does it let you SOCIALISE with you new SOCIAL GROUP without even logging in, it means that something super cool could be happening and you'd miss out. Say you're watching you favourite anime series for the 8th time (you nerd) and suddenly you get told an enemy titan is tackled and a massive fight is taking place. Do you want to be involved in that fight? If the answer is "no" then don't come to Null Sec anyway.

That's only for two specific corps.

I, went through that sketch where I explained I was in Hi-sec for a bit?
I've been in null-sec before and although I find it "offensive to ask for that much information" I've used that information before, and asked for it before, I stated as much in another thread where you responded directly?

I've still got all the bookmarks to jumpbridges from Branch pre-burn to -A- last month.........

I've not given these to anyone? I also say: Comms - yes, many unaccountable comms - no. The trust requested is 4 involuntary comms channels on '4 unmonitored programs' under the premise it's cool to be on them, bear in mind that Anti-Virus programs require a list of definitions for those programs to make sure they don't inject code (Allow for safe being pointless and Allow for all being the most commonly clicked button), most are slapped together despite already legitimate programs doing exactly the same thing already being around, like large TS servers, with chat channels and pop-up sounds.

Who the hell uses comms that aren't publicly available and trustworthy programs? I settled on using Pidgin for our alliance comms, and run it on Windows and Linux and never had any sort of issue with either permissions on Linux or the anti-virus on Windows.

Makes me want to ask if you have legitimate anti-virus or a trojan masquerading as an anti-virus.

In my mind there are four (very rough) tiers of 0.0 corporations separated by their approach towards recruitment:

(1) corporations that recruit anyone and acquire recruits by spamming unsolicited evemails/convos: bottom of the barrel (typically renters and/or IRC)

(2) corporations that recruit pretty much anyone and advertise in the Recruitment channel/eve-o subforum: 2nd tier alliances (e.g. Tribal Band, Li3, Squee, FA, SMA, ...), 3rd tier corporations in 1st tier alliances (ENL-I comes to mind)

(3) corporations that do open recruitment but don't advertise: 2nd tier corporations in 1st tier alliances (e.g. Eternity, ...)

(4) corporations that recruit by vouch only: 1st tier corporations in 1st tier alliances (e.g. dreddit for non-redditors, ...)

(yes, I know that you are a special snowflake and that your corporation does not fit into this scheme at all;
yes, I know that my examples are mostly drawn from HBC and CFC;
yes, I know that all test members are equal and that dreddit is merely more equal than the others;
yes, I know that people will find a dozen reasons to dismiss this post as irrelevant or biased.)

Anyways, my experience is that (1) is best avoided altogether and that getting into (2) is trivial, regardless of prior experience.
Getting into (3) requires some work but is doable for a complete stranger with an active killboard and no obvious red flags.
Joining (4) requires you to have friends in the corporation you apply to or to be someone who is well-known outside his current alliance (prolific kugu poster, FC, songwriter, ...).

As long as you set your eyes on (2) [(3) if you can demonstrate prior pvp experience] you should have no problem finding a corporation within one of the large power-blocs that will take you.

To be fair, you can google jump bridge maps.

Use a clean alt to join alliances maybe?

Major powerblocks and small - medium gangs are both completely different stories. Most powerblocks are extremely easy to get into, they typically have a large amount of corps and alliances, each with their own policies and requirements. Let's say you really want to get into a corp in RAZOR, but they wont let you in due to an inactive killboard and low SP, does this mean you should give up? No, find out who they're blue to and join them, let's say you find FCON, so you join them attend CTA's and get roughly 300-1000 kills in a month, now try again with a different corp in RAZOR.

Elite small - medium gangs are exactly that, they're elitist, they enjoy small to medium gangs so they wont pick up just anyone, my advice to you would be to join a powerblock with SRP and attend a small amount of CTAs, but focus on the fleets before and after CTA's that's where all the small gang happens, after that you can try solo and that's where you can earn other player's respect. To be accepted to elite small gang, you actually need to not only be skilled, but appear skilled in the eyes of others.

EXTRA QUESTION: You give out your full API because they ask you and everyone else to, financial transactions are one of the many ways to determine who you interact with in Eve, if you're not willing to trust other people to the point where you''re not going to be able to join them I suggest you just stay in highsec.

-A- is the anal probe.

You've met Avi?