Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Fine ill setup a large smartbomb camp. Either way the volumes are far smaller than freighters and their are enough stupid people that they will be lost.

T2 materials don't come from hisec i believe, they are simply built their because 0.0 sucks and CCP needs to fix it.

Moving materials with freighters is still boring as **** and it isnt good gameplay. With this change it will still be possible safely and be important for many things without having to go into lowsec. An important point of this change is that inter-region trade would go down, which is a good thing.

Also im very familiar with test and goon freighter ganks, its not that hard, in my previous post I called it "Boring emergent gameplay" but you didn't read that I guess.

I said probably about 10 times in this thread prices will go up. Did you not read the thread? You obviously don't look at details since you assumed I was an alt. However these are only for prices that can't be produced locally, in fact if the mineral proposals i proposed are used then in fact ships that are native to the empire you are in will be cheaper. If I want a maelstrom in jita I can simply scout a rohk I buy through lowsec, sell it in hek then move back to jita, and run my caldari missions.

I also talked about how prices would be effected in null sec, yes it would be more logistically challenging to buy ships from different trade hubs and jump them into null. I would hope that this would come at the same time as a pos revamp that would make 0.0 industry not **** and that tech 2 items would in fact start to be built in null and moved to hisec. So really if done as I suggest it would boost 0.0.

Also as a pirate I would not be scared of moving things through lowsec. If I die I would face similar logistical challenges as I do now in buying ships and moving them in. These price changes could be circumvented by simply going to wherever the price is cheaper. Read the thread before you post, your obviously not a man for details.

Sec status is not determined by the empires its determined by concord, the most hotly contended systems by the empires are low security space in the case of faction warfare. Also if high sec means its more militarily secure the how come anyone can pass through the empires borders with zero scrutiny? If I were an empire military commander I would shut off those stargates to protect my border, especially when empires have jump bridge capable titans for them to use in any possibly invasion. Also how much is in your hold is irrelevant to pirates ,but not much commercial traffic even crosses lowsec in the first place for them to gank. Almost all of the "Piracy" is just pirates ganking other pirates. Also a market schism is exactly what is intended. Price differences will be a good thing and be able to be profited on by many. Increased costs are expected but also price decreases will occur to balance them out. Production will not be changed at all, the only thing that will change is how production is distributed in specific areas. Their will still be just as many retrievers in the belts mining ore and just as many factory slots/POS towers running.

Fact 1) Earth does not have one location where 95% of people go to trade everything in one building. In fact, for most of human history, you couldn't trade more than a few miles from your home without massive conglomerate enterprises which were the exception, not the rule.

Fact 2) Earth's trade has not died off, nor has humanity crumbled into dust somehow due to Fact #1.

Conclusion) You aren't very good at economics.



edit: bonus fact) There was also very little rule of law on international roadways through most of human history, and lots of "ganking" of unescorted, unprotected tradesmen. Hence people traveled in protected caravans.

Confirming that I would give up my second (and last) testicle for this to be implemented.

Would be nice to know where in highsec the most industry POSes are concentrated. Also if ice must be imported for non native towers and we assume that the price difference would be quite high and it would be to expensive to run a non native pos, are their any races that would suffer greatly from this?

Making it more dangerous to trade only seems like a good idea if you camp gates tbh. It would make the economy even more open to manipulation and definitely would increase prices by a wide margin.

Jita would still reign supreme as the trade-hub of choice and everyone else would either have to fly their cheap ships through massively camped gates, or pay more wherever else they happen to be at the time. Basically it would punish people for picking the wrong race. All of this is bad.

Also, this doesn't only change hauling for trade. It also effects hauling for personal stuff. Moving a dozen ships is already long dull and painful, moving them through pirate infested low sec is horrific. The net result is that it encourages not only people to never leave high-sec, but also to never leave amarr/jita/dodixie/rens. Joined a new corp ? Well you can either fly your ships through the biggest choke points in eve, or you can lose a minimum of 20% of everything you spent selling them. It didn't work out ? Well you can either sell up again, or run the gauntlet again.

In terms of PvP, this idea makes any empire pvp basically impossible. Run a locator agent on a target, and oh no there's a hundred pirates between my three dudes and him. So no pvp for us. Oh they all jump cloned into amarr space? So I guess this whole war is useless now.

If there are easy kills to be had, then people will take them, and just because you're only thinking about trading doesn't mean thats the only thing its going to effect. It would make eve feel like a much much smaller place, with incredibly cruel boundaries policed by jerks. It ensures that most if not all routes between trade hubs are impossible to traverse for everyone all the time.

Under no circumstance would the risk be worth the reward. For new people, it back-stabs them for shopping for a good price.

To put it concisely, your idea doesn't encourage emergent gameplay, it encourages people to not play the game. It doesn't even make sense in its own terms.

'Pirates' as used to exist are a complete myth. You are thinking of 'privateers', but I'll let that go. And they did not outnumber the merchantmen ever. Nor did merchant ships travel alone, ever. Pirate ships were small and fast, and survived by every now and again picking off a straggler. The value of a ship and cargo taken would pay every man on a pirate ship for a year. There was no such thing as pirate infested waters, because the pirates had to constantly be moving, because the navies would come and kill them if they stayed still. They also needed a friendly harbour (no harbour would ever accept a freelance pirate btw because all sailors of all navies hated them, that's why you needed to be a privateer so you could use allied ports, and of course without a harbour you couldn't sell the hundreds of tons of cargo you stole).

Compare that to the results in eve. Pirates would be static, because there would be choke points. They need have no fear of being killed, because they can fly whatever ships they want in as many numbers as they want. They can immediately contact friends to reinforce them. Seeing a big fleet with escort ships approach wouldn't make them scatter, it would mean they got a more fun fight. They have a friendly port wherever they want them, because the game lets anyone dock in low sec. It is exactly the opposite of the romantic ideal of piracy you have. Far from the lone pirate against the masses of merchants, it would be masses of pirates against lone merchants.

There is no aspect of this that would improve the game, except that you get to kill more haulers. Go you.

Cloaked haulers.



If their are enough entrances it will be difficult to camp every gate and every possible path through lowsec, their should always be a way around. It would be impossible for jita to reign supreme as all non caldari goods would have to be imported or would be more expensive to build their. Also dodixie, hek, and amarr are fine hubs and I can currently find almost and non faction module I want their. CCP has already made it clear they wan't people to stick with the race they initially chose in the beginning, however a new player can still always train X race frigate to one and start from the beginning.



Cloaked haulers, transport contracts, have more than 5 possible paths, wormhole, etc. Also lowsec isn't that scary I go their all the time. Even the scariest places like rancer and ammakake can be traversed.

If LP items start to saturate the market heavily then a industrious trader would quickly start to move them out of the region. Maybe a smart missionbear would learn to every once in ahwhile move his own items because he isn't a lazy bum. Also you will always be able to buy starbase charters.
So missioners have two options, 1. they don't move their items and make less money than they did before. 2. they move their own items and suddenly missioner income gets a buff. Sounds like a good idea to me.

Same thing with ores, you can either export your own ore and make more money than before or don't and make less, it's your choice. Doesn't sound like that big a deal to me.

as one person once told me these wise words. We need to find a way to buff null-sec and low-sec without nerfing high sec, cause lets be honest with eachother, there will always be carebears that want nothing to do with the lower sectors. I'm sorry to say Ted, but this isn't the right way, cause you infact did NOT buff low or null-sec in anyways, but you nerf the hell out of high-sec to the point where major high sec corps would all but quit, traffic would come to a stand still, and your tower will come crashing down.