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Windows 8 and your EvE

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TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-11-22 17:29:05 UTC  |  Edited by: TriadSte
JeanMichel Bizarre wrote:
TriadSte wrote:
Havnt used Win8, wouldnt want too...

why?

Because win8 is gonna be like Vista - incredibad.

Win8 is primarily used for mobile devices or a toned down version at least so really the desktop version you could say is a port.

Ports are bad mmkay

Win8 will fail

Win7 is the way to go.

For those who say its faster etc on disk read/write boot etc.

You clearly dont have a optimized fast system.



You, sir, are an idiot!


Thank you for posting but I will choose to ignore you at this present time as I feel your post was unintelligent and had nothing to add to this topic.

I speak the truth, My win7 is fast, supremely fast. In fact everything is pretty much instanataneous. My disk read/write are insane my network throughput speeds is crazy.

I cannot forsee my system being the supposed so called 11% faster. Seriously some games load instantly some games like crysis might take 20 seconds to boot and load into the level I saved.

Win 8 is not 11% faster than 7 I simply cannot see it at all.

If your running win8 - I feel sorry for you.
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#42 - 2012-11-22 17:51:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Tom Gerard
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/10/gentlemen-start-your-benches-measuring-windows-8s-performance/

http://www.zdnet.com/windows-8-vs-windows-7-benchmarked_p3-7000002671/

http://www.zdnet.com/microsofts-windows-8-will-it-breathe-new-life-into-older-pcs-7000002634/

http://kotaku.com/5935337/lets-see-how-windows-8-performs-against-windows-7

http://forum.thewindowsclub.com/windows-8-management-support/34341-advantages-windows-8-over-windows-7-a.html

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/07/windows-8-gpu-acceleration-good-news-for-metro/

http://www.geek.com/articles/geek-pick/10-reasons-to-embrace-windows-8-now-20121026/

http://www.zdnet.com/installing-windows-8-on-your-old-pc-could-turn-it-into-greased-lightning-7000002903/


The performance advantage is heavily documented, the 3D performance lags behind simply due to driver compatibility issues that will be resolved by the vendors.

But running Skyrim on W7 gives me 84 FPS, Running it on W8 gives me 82 FPS and that's using comparability drivers not the performance drivers due from nVidia before the Christmas Break in December.

I suspect at least equal performance and am hopeful of increased GPU performance.

WHY? because Metro is GPU aware and can shut itself down to free up GPU cycles something which Aero cannot do.

Now with 100% less Troll.

YoYo NickyYo
Doomheim
#43 - 2012-11-22 17:56:25 UTC
Considering most people didn't go out and buy a new computer when Win 8 came out, I doubt a significant percentage are even using it, ask after x-mas.

I am not, nor will I ever be...Nicky Yo.... The question you should ask is.....When will they release the NICKY!

Ssoraszh Tzarszh
Mellivora Nulla Irrumabo
#44 - 2012-11-22 18:21:05 UTC
I run Windows 8 dual screen, multibox EvE with 4 accounts. Runs perfectly fine.

That said, as much as 90% of all problems usually attributed to Windows OS are 3rd party related. This was true for XP when it was released it was true for XP Service Pack 2, It was true for Vista, It was true for Windows 7 (which is slower to start than most XP installs on the same hardware pre-i5/i7 CPU's) and it will be true for Windows 8.

The ' UI Formerly known as Metro' might be new, but people will either get used to it or move to IOS/Linux where they will have to learn another UI that is different from what they used in Windows XP.

From a technological perspective Windows 8 blows Windows 7 out of the water, you might not like it because of < insert personal preference here > but that's it, personal preference.

All the haters, will run Windows 8 in 6 months to a year anyway, just like they installed Vista all over the place.
JeanMichel Bizarre
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2012-11-22 18:39:59 UTC
Ssoraszh Tzarszh wrote:

All the haters, will run Windows 8 in 6 months to a year anyway, just like they installed Vista all over the place.



Not empty quoting.

Dangerzone

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#46 - 2012-11-22 18:48:11 UTC
Ssoraszh Tzarszh wrote:
The ' UI Formerly known as Metro' might be new, but people will either get used to it or move to IOS/Linux where they will have to learn another UI that is different from what they used in Windows XP.
It's not that it's new that is the problem — it's that it's a bad UI for a desktop system.

Quote:
From a technological perspective Windows 8 blows Windows 7 out of the water, you might not like it because of < insert personal preference here > but that's it, personal preference.

All the haters, will run Windows 8 in 6 months to a year anyway, just like they installed Vista all over the place.
Actually, most of them probably skipped Vista and are either still on XP or waited for Win7. Win8 is a technical step forward. Too bad that all that back-end stuff is ruined by a horrible and completely misapplied front-end.
JeanMichel Bizarre
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2012-11-22 18:53:42 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Too bad that all that back-end stuff is ruined by a horrible and completely misapplied front-end.


Ignoring the purely subjective part about it being horrible, you only ever see that UI for a few seconds each session. I can hardly see how that is an issue, even if you do hate it. Just click on the desktop tile and forget about it.

Dangerzone

Lady Bentley
Mineral Reserve Bank
#48 - 2012-11-22 19:03:30 UTC
I tested w8 briefly. I found it to be too slow to use in my work. When i use windows 7, everything is closer than on windows 8. I find everything more clicks away than in windows 7, that is the reason i will never get windows 8.

I really hated that there was no start button, i also disliked the metro interface. I really do not like windows 8 in anyway and i'm going to wait for windows 9 before i consider changing.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#49 - 2012-11-22 19:18:42 UTC
JeanMichel Bizarre wrote:
Ignoring the purely subjective part about it being horrible, you only ever see that UI for a few seconds each session. I can hardly see how that is an issue, even if you do hate it.
Because there's no reason why I should have to see it at all since Vista already obsoleted it. It's an issue because MS is moving backwards, both in terms of the UI and its application in and of itself, but also in their refusal to address this very well-known problem (that will hit their main customer base the most).

It's as if in the '90s, they had shipped Win95 with only T9 support for password entry because that's what everyone used on their cell phones, instead of allowing the use of keyboards. It wouldn't have been an issue, because you don't enter your password that often, right?
handige harrie
Vereenigde Handels Compagnie
#50 - 2012-11-22 19:33:00 UTC
I use windows 8 on two monitors, and like it a lot. It makes doing simple stuff a breeze, and if I want to run a program or search the web or something from the 'UI Formerly known as Metro' I like the fact you can just start typing and let the program work for you. Instead of the clicking of the 'start' button and type what program you want in the search bar, or opening a browser to search for something

Baddest poster ever

Talraska
Big Bl0ck Corp
#51 - 2012-11-22 20:12:16 UTC
Windows 8 is, in my opinion, in all ways better than 7. It is faster and its UI, that everyone hates, actually allows me to set up my "used to be" start menu in exactly the way I want it by using all small tiles and none of the "fancy crap". It is faster, easier and better for everyday use.

It is also brighter with games! Understands alt tab faster and better than 7 and runs everything faster than 7 ever did.

It is bascially damn good at what it does!

Haters are going to hate.

Mac lovers are going to hate

Linux lovers are going to hate.

I use win 7 (work), Linux (private laptop), and Mac (the dreaded wife's laptop) on and off

Fact is imho on my desktop computer, and after 5 months use , it is as good or better than the 2 OS' above and better than 7.



Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#52 - 2012-11-22 22:32:26 UTC
Tom Gerard wrote:

The performance advantage is heavily documented, the 3D performance lags behind simply due to driver compatibility issues that will be resolved by the vendors.


This is exactly the reason why I'll wait with upgrading.

Wait until the vendors have upgraded, and most likely corrected their first attempts of upgrade a couple of times.

So I'll upgrade, but like in a year or so.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-11-22 22:59:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
Tippia wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Funny, it's working just fine for me. Metro shows up on one screen, while I can use something else on the other. I just think of metro as the start menu. It's open for minimal times, just when I'm starting stuff up. (hit windows key, type a couple of letters, click on the program I want, get back to working)
But that's just it: the no-longer-metro interface is obsoleted by a menu that was put into place two windows versions ago. It literally adds nothing to the UI. Instead, it replaces an aging menu with a big blob of pointless flash that serves no purpose on a desktop since the information it wants to convey is already conveyed through numerous other (better) means.

Metro works for small-screen unitasking devices. A desktop computer is none of those things.

Oh, and as for “just disable it”, that would be a swell suggestion if the manufacturer actually supported it. If an OS has to rely on hacks and work-around to be made useful, it has failed on the most fundamental level an OS can fail at.



Well I don't know about you but for me, there's no option in between W7 Pro at 300€ and W8 at 120€.
Sure some stuff changes, it's a matter of time to adapt to this new UI but I believe it's a very good step forward in the good direction.

I don't know about you but as a guy who learned his first steps on PC with IBM systems and different crap because it' was funny or looked smart to feel/use different, I can't think about it now but as a waste of energy when everything is far more simple, easy to use and offers better software updates/progression with standard platforms.

Lets take a close look at, you're at home and in between the morning and the evening this is about what you have at home:

-smart phone ->windows phone system, android, Iphone, whatever other crap because there are hundreds
-PC -> Mac, Linux, Windows and some other crap
-TV -> another crap requiring dozens of buttons, offering more chans than you need, thousands of crap 24h/d
Console -> PS "x" version, X-Box or whatever crap

This is for the base crap you, me and most of people having the chance and the privileged to have enough money to buy, use every day.
So my only question is, why choose to make of your day worst that it could be?
Why not choose and actually help or ask for enough improvements so you can use your phone, pc, console, tv, gps, car whatever crap with same interactivity and easiness instead of different ones making you loose too much time and energy to achieve the same tasks?

I'm all for anti trust, but I'm also all against waste of time/resources/energy for peanuts or a piece of makeup. Our lifes are not ready to get back to stone age, looking forward means more and more devices in your current day life in the next decades so are we ready to actually find something making your day to day life easier or do you really think we need each device to use different kinds of UI?

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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#54 - 2012-11-23 00:48:50 UTC
Removed a post for discussing real-life politics; please don't go there folks - it's not even allowed in the Out of Pod experience forum.

Thanks.

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Xenuria
#55 - 2012-11-23 01:46:22 UTC
JeanMichel Bizarre wrote:
You guys need to stfu. Win8 is better than 7 in every conceivable way!

Disk read/write speeds are faster, you can now pause file copying/moving, the ui is more responsive, the OS uses available hardware better and more efficiently, boot and shutdown times are less than half what they were in 7, networking has been improved thus browsing and downloading is now faster.


But yeah, go ahead spreading misinformation and talking right out of your asses with complete disregard for facts.



Nothing you said is accurate except that you can pause file copying/moving. Everything else has yet to be proven.
Ginger Barbarella
#56 - 2012-11-23 01:50:39 UTC
Worked beautifully for months on the pre-release for me, and I've been running it on my main gaming machine since it's official release. No issues directly related to Win8 with it at all. Just the usual bugs that are there regardless of the operating system version (Win8, Win7, Snow Leopard).

On Win8 specifically, I haven't found any real use for the tile interface (aka, "Metro") even tho I have tablets I use for my photography and graphic design work. OS is rock solid, no issues whatsoever, including old hardware and new.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2012-11-23 01:50:40 UTC
I liek Win 8 and that's all that matters...

still can't find the calculator that used to be in the start menu but I'm sure I'll find it eventually

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Xenuria
#58 - 2012-11-23 01:57:06 UTC
I will buy windows 8 if they come out with a service pack that adds a fedora in place of the missing start menu.
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#59 - 2012-11-23 01:58:55 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
I liek Win 8 and that's all that matters...

still can't find the calculator that used to be in the start menu but I'm sure I'll find it eventually


Just type calculator while on the start menu it should bring it right up. This works for anything thats hard to find Big smile
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2012-11-23 02:04:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Commissar Kate wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
I liek Win 8 and that's all that matters...

still can't find the calculator that used to be in the start menu but I'm sure I'll find it eventually


Just type calculator while on the start menu it should bring it right up. This works for anything thats hard to find Big smile


There's no start menu... Cry

There's a start screen thingy with a bunch of windows though What?

*Edit: FOUND IT! Big smile

My life is now complete

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