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Doddy
Excidium.
#21 - 2012-11-22 15:29:12 UTC
Christy D Floyd wrote:
Reppyk wrote:
Gas harvesting lvl4 = meh.
Gas harvesting lvl5 = T2 modules and a fifth module = double yield.
Don't forget the ganglink and, if you're serious about it, the implant.


Sweet my skill level will allow me the 5th module in a few days. I will have to remember the ganglink but I know im not going to bring an orca into the WH. I have the implant just havent used it yet. Somebody told me a roch is a good gas harvester is that true?


Don't see why you would need rokh, all you need is 5 turret slots and some cargo space tbh.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#22 - 2012-11-22 15:56:30 UTC
Infinite Force wrote:
Styth spiting wrote:
The problem with the Ore frigate is that it only has 3 high slots meaning you lose 2 additional T2 gas harvesters. In addition you really never want to enter a wormhole without a probe launcher. This is why battlecruisers are so nice as gas boats. You can have 5 T2 gas harvesters and your probe launcher.

The cane will have 2041m3 cargo space with 6 exapnded cargoholds, and 3103m3 with 3 medium cargohold opts.

I personally never fitted any type of tank, and just did a bare minimum setup because chances are very slim that if you need tank, you'll even be able to escape. Keep the costs as low as possible to keep isk losses down.

The ORE frigate at ORE Frigate 5 will have the effective yeild of 5.33 GCH's. You can read the dev post.

On the test server, so far, I've fit a cloak in the 3rd high. I haven't tried anything else yet.



Will it take a probe launcher?

(Though I guess if you're in a cheap clone, it's not a /huge/ loss if you lose the wormhole and have to pod out)

Woo! CSM XI!

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Matt Ellis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-11-22 16:14:50 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Infinite Force wrote:
Styth spiting wrote:
The problem with the Ore frigate is that it only has 3 high slots meaning you lose 2 additional T2 gas harvesters. In addition you really never want to enter a wormhole without a probe launcher. This is why battlecruisers are so nice as gas boats. You can have 5 T2 gas harvesters and your probe launcher.

The cane will have 2041m3 cargo space with 6 exapnded cargoholds, and 3103m3 with 3 medium cargohold opts.

I personally never fitted any type of tank, and just did a bare minimum setup because chances are very slim that if you need tank, you'll even be able to escape. Keep the costs as low as possible to keep isk losses down.

The ORE frigate at ORE Frigate 5 will have the effective yeild of 5.33 GCH's. You can read the dev post.

On the test server, so far, I've fit a cloak in the 3rd high. I haven't tried anything else yet.



Will it take a probe launcher?

(Though I guess if you're in a cheap clone, it's not a /huge/ loss if you lose the wormhole and have to pod out)



It probably will... but you might have to sacrifice harvesters.. possibly... We'll see in 2 weeks.. wont we..:D
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#24 - 2012-11-22 16:24:16 UTC
Matt Ellis wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Infinite Force wrote:
Styth spiting wrote:
The problem with the Ore frigate is that it only has 3 high slots meaning you lose 2 additional T2 gas harvesters. In addition you really never want to enter a wormhole without a probe launcher. This is why battlecruisers are so nice as gas boats. You can have 5 T2 gas harvesters and your probe launcher.

The cane will have 2041m3 cargo space with 6 exapnded cargoholds, and 3103m3 with 3 medium cargohold opts.

I personally never fitted any type of tank, and just did a bare minimum setup because chances are very slim that if you need tank, you'll even be able to escape. Keep the costs as low as possible to keep isk losses down.

The ORE frigate at ORE Frigate 5 will have the effective yeild of 5.33 GCH's. You can read the dev post.

On the test server, so far, I've fit a cloak in the 3rd high. I haven't tried anything else yet.



Will it take a probe launcher?

(Though I guess if you're in a cheap clone, it's not a /huge/ loss if you lose the wormhole and have to pod out)



It probably will... but you might have to sacrifice harvesters.. possibly... We'll see in 2 weeks.. wont we..:D



Looking at the stats, I /think/ it'll fit it all. 240cpu, 45 pg. with 140 cpu and 10pg used for the harvesters, a core probe launcher takes 15 cpu and 1 pg.

I don't think they use a launcher slot either.

Sure, it's utterly defenceless, but that's what the cloaky defence ship is for ;)

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Matt Ellis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-11-22 16:26:27 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Matt Ellis wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Infinite Force wrote:
Styth spiting wrote:
The problem with the Ore frigate is that it only has 3 high slots meaning you lose 2 additional T2 gas harvesters. In addition you really never want to enter a wormhole without a probe launcher. This is why battlecruisers are so nice as gas boats. You can have 5 T2 gas harvesters and your probe launcher.

The cane will have 2041m3 cargo space with 6 exapnded cargoholds, and 3103m3 with 3 medium cargohold opts.

I personally never fitted any type of tank, and just did a bare minimum setup because chances are very slim that if you need tank, you'll even be able to escape. Keep the costs as low as possible to keep isk losses down.

The ORE frigate at ORE Frigate 5 will have the effective yeild of 5.33 GCH's. You can read the dev post.

On the test server, so far, I've fit a cloak in the 3rd high. I haven't tried anything else yet.



Will it take a probe launcher?

(Though I guess if you're in a cheap clone, it's not a /huge/ loss if you lose the wormhole and have to pod out)



It probably will... but you might have to sacrifice harvesters.. possibly... We'll see in 2 weeks.. wont we..:D



Looking at the stats, I /think/ it'll fit it all. 240cpu, 45 pg. with 140 cpu and 10pg used for the harvesters, a core probe launcher takes 15 cpu and 1 pg.

I don't think they use a launcher slot either.

Sure, it's utterly defenceless, but that's what the cloaky defence ship is for ;)


Or the fast align time, because... its a frigate.. it will align before the cloaky has even locked it, more than likely... or be able to get away quickly.. should make for some cool predator moments!
Cheesy Feet
The Hells Bells Club
#26 - 2012-11-22 22:07:43 UTC
I haven't sucked gas for ages, but I used to use the following, it has a decent cargo bay (888m3) so you dont have to keep filling the jettisoned cans so often but more important is it has a 5.8 sec align time, and a probe plus cloak.

[Cyclone, Gas Miner]
Co-Processor II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Prototype Cloaking Device I
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
[empty high slot]

Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I


Hornet EC-300 x2
Vespa EC-600 x3
Raudur Froskur
SFMS Holding
#27 - 2012-11-23 07:54:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Raudur Froskur
In case anyone would need this..

WH Gas
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#28 - 2012-11-26 15:40:22 UTC
Raudur Froskur wrote:
In case anyone would need this..

WH Gas


I'm more interested in what kind of gas it was that the OP sucked up. It sounds super lucrative, but I really don't know anything about gas prices.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#29 - 2012-11-26 15:43:27 UTC
Modules should be renamed Gas Sucker and Gas Sucker II ! Big smile

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Derath Ellecon
Lotek Academy
#30 - 2012-11-26 16:10:00 UTC
Salpad wrote:
Raudur Froskur wrote:
In case anyone would need this..

WH Gas


I'm more interested in what kind of gas it was that the OP sucked up. It sounds super lucrative, but I really don't know anything about gas prices.



Well the OP mentioned C72, which is about the best Gas you are going to find in a Low end WH (C3 and below). So lets work with that. C72 in jita buy orders is around 9300/unit. So for 500mil that's 53,763 units of C72, at a volume of 107,526m3.

The OP mentioned using 3 T1 harvesters. Each one harvests 10m3 every 30 second, so that's 60m3 per minute. So 500mil worth of gas would have taken about 1792 minutes, or 29 hours. Or you could say about 17mil an hour.

So I'm guessing the OP is overstating profits, or put the decimal in the wrong place.

I collect a lot of WH gas when I'm bored. I have 2 maxed toons to do it, with a ganglink. So they collect 200m3 of gas every 37 seconds. It would still take me over 5 hours to collect 500mil worth of C72.
Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-11-27 15:00:24 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Salpad wrote:
Raudur Froskur wrote:
In case anyone would need this..

WH Gas


I'm more interested in what kind of gas it was that the OP sucked up. It sounds super lucrative, but I really don't know anything about gas prices.



Well the OP mentioned C72, which is about the best Gas you are going to find in a Low end WH (C3 and below). So lets work with that. C72 in jita buy orders is around 9300/unit. So for 500mil that's 53,763 units of C72, at a volume of 107,526m3.

The OP mentioned using 3 T1 harvesters. Each one harvests 10m3 every 30 second, so that's 60m3 per minute. So 500mil worth of gas would have taken about 1792 minutes, or 29 hours. Or you could say about 17mil an hour.

So I'm guessing the OP is overstating profits, or put the decimal in the wrong place.

I collect a lot of WH gas when I'm bored. I have 2 maxed toons to do it, with a ganglink. So they collect 200m3 of gas every 37 seconds. It would still take me over 5 hours to collect 500mil worth of C72.


The only problem with your math is that I didnt sell it in jita. I tend to sell in outlying systems with a substantial markup. For some reason players will pay the higher markup prices inorder to avoid the travel time to jita. By the way I dont fill buy orders. Buy orders are for day traders and pilots who need isk fast, patience patience paitence always prevails.

Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons.

Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-11-27 15:08:54 UTC
My question is , Is it worth it setting up a Polymer Reactor in my WH pos?

Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons.

Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#33 - 2012-11-28 08:39:50 UTC
Shame there's gonna be so many jumping on the WH gas mining bandwagon that the gas prices are gonna plummet, and make it less profitable for a while, until people get bored with gas mining, or stockpile massive hoard of gas. I expect the market is gonna be pretty volatile for a few months.

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Sith1s Spectre
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2012-11-28 22:51:49 UTC
Gas prices and WH items in general have been on a steady decline for some months now. Suits me fine as i'm stockpiling :)

Cheers,

Sith

Resident forum troll and fashion consultant

LordSpock
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-11-30 11:11:47 UTC
Are the gas types in wormholes the same ones as can be found in low-sec combatladar sites?
Or are those gasses completely different?
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#36 - 2012-11-30 12:12:59 UTC
Christy D Floyd wrote:

The only problem with your math is that I didnt sell it in jita. I tend to sell in outlying systems with a substantial markup. For some reason players will pay the higher markup prices inorder to avoid BEING EXPLODED ON THE WAY to jita.



Fixed that for you Smile

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Derath Ellecon
Lotek Academy
#37 - 2012-11-30 16:30:08 UTC
Christy D Floyd wrote:

The only problem with your math is that I didnt sell it in jita. I tend to sell in outlying systems with a substantial markup. For some reason players will pay the higher markup prices inorder to avoid the travel time to jita. By the way I dont fill buy orders. Buy orders are for day traders and pilots who need isk fast, patience patience paitence always prevails.


Except that for your claim of "a few hours" and "using 3 harvesters" means you would have to sell the gas for an extremely high price. Even 3 times higher than Jita would have taken you more than a few hours.

either way, yes WH LADAR sites can make some good isk.

As far as making polymers, its mostly just a math problem. I calculated once and decided for me it wasn't worth it. YMMV.
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