Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That was about having 15k ehp as in 15k more than a comparable fit.
(Other than that, I have to admit I feel much more wrong when actually faced with the better fitting, you know being constructive and such.)

About the Maller fitting, the one posted was about trying to fit heavy pulses while still maintaining full tackle and reasonable dps. I have to agree though that an Omen can do similar with better cap stability and speed.

On the other hand, however, at that point the maximum of feasible tank on an Omen is reached, while a Maller can be much tougher.

(Swap EANM to heat sink and discharge to trimark to taste)
This leaves you at 50k ehp (or 58k if 4 minutes cap are fine for you, without MWD) which is the promised 15k ehp advantage over other armor cruisers (Omen 35k similar to above, Vexor 35k, Thorax 30k, Rupture 30k are the values I am using). The damage is terrible, I will admit, but in line with the other ships if you go so far as to value tank and damage equally important, except for the Vexor. It didn't seem this obvious to me until now, but the Vexor is really much better.

(Thorax has about 40% less tank but 40% more damage +1mid; Omen 15% more damage 30% less tank; Vexor 30% less tank, 65% (!) more damage +1mid; Rupture 15% more damage, 40% less tank +1mid +1high; comparing similar armor-brawl fits and disregarding any range/tracking/drone destruction (!))



Considering this "research" (and assuming there are not drastically better ways to fit the Maller), ok, the Maller looks like it needs another tweak if it should be competitive in an armor brawling scenario (or the Thorax/Vexor for that matter).


P.S: It moves at shield battlecruiser speed, not at armor battlecruiser speed and all those are still subject to change in the next year

Is this theorycraft, or have you tried it? (i am genuinely curious)

Disregarding range when it is the primary strength of pulse laser against the other weapons... In fact, you would only use blasters then.

Now, combat cruiser are not meant to obsolete attack cruisers, and the maller definitly is more robust than the Omen (and than any other cruiser for that matter), and you can't blame it for having a battlecruiser speed when it have a battlecruiser tank.

Why all cruisers should be best solo brawlers ? In a fleet, with damage application of pulse, only the Caracal will match it, and its tank is unrivaled. There definitly is situations where tank matter. And for the tank he have, the Maller is not that slow (not all BC go to the shield nano hurricane speed).

They shouldn't. But all the other cruisers could at least take part in one.

The thing about low slots is generally they just beef up existing facets of a ship. Mid slots and utility highs add facets to the ship. Without either, the Maller's pretty much a one fit horse. If that is to be the case then it could imo at least be borderline op with that fit in it's ideal engagement profile. It's glaring, potentially crippling weakness being the thing that provides balance.

I doesn't matter how much ehp or dps you give it. A Rupture with a neut and tracking disruptor could still sit at 12km and own it. Or a Vexor for that matter. And a Moa, once under it's guns is going to chew it up, probably with the now mandatory TD too.




Ps. For balance, we can't really compare it to any of the attack cruisers. They fight a different fight.

Pps. You could make the Maller overpowered when you EFT it and it still wouldn't get flown much. It's too easy to get caught with your pants down in one and those dps figures are hard to realise.

Ppps. With the upcoming Prophecy being an Amarr Myrm, 5 drones doesn't seem implausible.

You are SO wrong - The Harbinger will easily take the stepstone role towards the Abaddon.
Prophecy becoming a different type of ship only makes Amarr a more interesting race to fly as long it is balanced and capable and providing something new to Amarr players.

Indeed the game already have the Myrmidon, however I am sure there are place for 2 of the 8 battlecruisers to rely on drones without being identical. Time will tell... But it's definately better than having 2 ships with laser and resist bonus doing the same thing with the same effecieny!

I think you're wrong on both counts.

Scorch is a good and generally useful ammo type, but it's not overpowered, and amarr are not reliant on it. It's a tool in their box, and it makes them much more rounded ships, but it doesn't make them overpowered. Yes, they load up scorch a lot. That's because it maintains good range and good dps. It's a good all purpose ammo. Now, perhaps it should have a little less range, or a little less dps. But its not particularly unbalancing anything.

Amarr is absolutely reliant on Scorch. Without it I can not think of any Amarr Pulse Laser Boats that would be competitive.

No Scorch is not overpowered but Amarr Pulse Lasers are very reliant on it. That is the problem, they are reliant on Scroch while most other races can at least manage without it.

What needs to happen is T1 Ammo needs to be rebalanced in such away that there is a reason to use Ammo other then Multi in Pulse Lasers and that the longer range Faction Ammo is a suitable but slightly less effective replacement.

Barrage and Null should get the same treatment, longer range ammo should increase falloff and be good enough in Blaster and Auto Guns but not as good as T2. Longer Range T1 Ammo should have the relationship with Scorch, Null and Barrage that Multi, EMP/PP/Fusion and Antimatter have with Con, Hail and Void.

No you're wrong, i'm right.. I generally am.
Almost every single amarr ships that is used a lot relies heavily on scorch

The Zealot more or less wouldn't be used at all without it, Amarr BS's would see much less use.

Heavy Pulse lasers with scorch easily out dps heavy beams up to 30km. No other short range weapon outclasses its long range variant at range as much as pulses with scorch.

CCP Fozzie, any chance you can do a small drone buff, with the patch, to help until you can to a full overhaul on them?

Is it just me or is the Thorax a better Combat Cruiser than the Rupture?!

Edit: I've also just realised that the Celestis is a better combat cruiser than the Rupture!!