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TharOkha
0asis Group
#21 - 2012-11-22 10:33:10 UTC  |  Edited by: TharOkha
JeanMichel Bizarre wrote:
You guys need to stfu. Win8 is better than 7 in every conceivable way!

Disk read/write speeds are faster, you can now pause file copying/moving, the ui is more responsive, the OS uses available hardware better and more efficiently, boot and shutdown times are less than half what they were in 7, networking has been improved thus browsing and downloading is now faster.


But yeah, go ahead spreading misinformation and talking right out of your asses with complete disregard for facts.


That is nice (and true). But that new UI is not PC friendly. It is Tablet friendly. An i play on PC not on Tablet.

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JeanMichel Bizarre
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-11-22 10:40:40 UTC
That is the single valid complaint anyone could have, but even that is purely subjective, as it's a matter of taste. I personally prefer metro ui over the start menu in 7. Sleeker look, bigger and more icons, improved search etc.

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Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#23 - 2012-11-22 10:46:57 UTC
My biggest beef is the UX of Win8.

As someone said, touchscreens has been around for ages and there's a reason why it wasn't used on tabletop computers for work. It puts a huge strain on your arms and daily work is better with mouse/keyboard.

Basically I don't want people to touch my screen when I work. It's fine with tablets though.

So, win8 tablets may be nice, but it's a huge step backwards by any UX measure for pc users.

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TharOkha
0asis Group
#24 - 2012-11-22 10:49:20 UTC  |  Edited by: TharOkha
JeanMichel Bizarre wrote:
That is the single valid complaint anyone could have, but even that is purely subjective, as it's a matter of taste. I personally prefer metro ui over the start menu in 7. Sleeker look, bigger and more icons, improved search etc.


Yea, but for guy like me, with desktop resolution 3240x1920 (PPP eyefinity) and screen size 41", metro is just unusable

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My biggest beef is the UX of Win8.

As someone said, touchscreens has been around for ages and there's a reason why it wasn't used on tabletop computers for work. It puts a huge strain on your arms and daily work is better with mouse/keyboard.

Basically I don't want people to touch my screen when I work. It's fine with tablets though.

So, win8 tablets may be nice, but it's a huge step backwards by any UX measure for pc users.


Exactly. Im not saying that W8 is bad. I think its more better than any OS for tablets, also winPhone8 is fantastic. But W8 is not ergonomic for PC users (keyboard+mouse) and huge step backward in usability

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JeanMichel Bizarre
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-11-22 11:33:43 UTC  |  Edited by: JeanMichel Bizarre
TharOkha wrote:
But W8 is not ergonomic for PC users (keyboard+mouse) and huge step backward in usability


I beg to differ. Once you get passed metro ( which can, btw, be disabled altogether) it's only slightly different from 7 (the ribbon menu), but there are no changes that could negatively impact usability.

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DownTwisTeD
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-11-22 11:49:44 UTC
Top of the line.. Dx and 8 rules better then 7 for 90% of games out there..
iv tested too many to know..
cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#27 - 2012-11-22 12:10:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyndrogen
Metro is a much better interface especially for internet explorer. I like having the FULL screen used and NO menus unless I hover my mouse UP top, also going back and forth between pages is also great because you just touch the left or right side of the monitor and poof an arrow appears. WAY better navigation.

The boot times are faster, the graphics look fantastic and I can alt tab without ANY dcd. There is nothing to get PAST for the interface, the interface is better then what we had before in every way and makes it much easier to navigate.

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-11-22 12:38:45 UTC
JeanMichel Bizarre wrote:
You guys need to stfu. Win8 is better than 7 in every conceivable way!

Disk read/write speeds are faster, you can now pause file copying/moving, the ui is more responsive, the OS uses available hardware better and more efficiently, boot and shutdown times are less than half what they were in 7, networking has been improved thus browsing and downloading is now faster.


But yeah, go ahead spreading misinformation and talking right out of your asses with complete disregard for facts.


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Norian Lonark
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-11-22 13:00:30 UTC
I actually prefer Windows 8 to 7, apart from the new UI (which you dont really have to use).

I think a lot of the good stuff with Windows 8 Desktop has been overlooked because of the cruddy interface thats meant for tablets, I just stick it in desktop mode and then im good. It seems to run faster on my machine and has a few nice improvements and is running my eve with absolutly no problems.

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Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#30 - 2012-11-22 13:05:37 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
JeanMichel Bizarre wrote:
That is the single valid complaint anyone could have, but even that is purely subjective, as it's a matter of taste. I personally prefer metro ui over the start menu in 7. Sleeker look, bigger and more icons, improved search etc.


Yea, but for guy like me, with desktop resolution 3240x1920 (PPP eyefinity) and screen size 41", metro is just unusable

Quote:
My biggest beef is the UX of Win8.

As someone said, touchscreens has been around for ages and there's a reason why it wasn't used on tabletop computers for work. It puts a huge strain on your arms and daily work is better with mouse/keyboard.

Basically I don't want people to touch my screen when I work. It's fine with tablets though.

So, win8 tablets may be nice, but it's a huge step backwards by any UX measure for pc users.


Exactly. Im not saying that W8 is bad. I think its more better than any OS for tablets, also winPhone8 is fantastic. But W8 is not ergonomic for PC users (keyboard+mouse) and huge step backward in usability



Funny, it's working just fine for me. Metro shows up on one screen, while I can use something else on the other. I just think of metro as the start menu. It's open for minimal times, just when I'm starting stuff up. (hit windows key, type a couple of letters, click on the program I want, get back to working)

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Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-11-22 14:12:09 UTC
After using all three previews for software testing, I'm definitely sticking with 7. Their desire to "beat Apple" does not interest me in the least. I have work to do.

The only good thing I have to say for it is it seems to be quite stable and snappy.

Shame they had to plaster that God-awful UI over it.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#32 - 2012-11-22 14:22:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Funny, it's working just fine for me. Metro shows up on one screen, while I can use something else on the other. I just think of metro as the start menu. It's open for minimal times, just when I'm starting stuff up. (hit windows key, type a couple of letters, click on the program I want, get back to working)
But that's just it: the no-longer-metro interface is obsoleted by a menu that was put into place two windows versions ago. It literally adds nothing to the UI. Instead, it replaces an aging menu with a big blob of pointless flash that serves no purpose on a desktop since the information it wants to convey is already conveyed through numerous other (better) means.

Metro works for small-screen unitasking devices. A desktop computer is none of those things.

Oh, and as for “just disable it”, that would be a swell suggestion if the manufacturer actually supported it. If an OS has to rely on hacks and work-around to be made useful, it has failed on the most fundamental level an OS can fail at.
Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-11-22 14:47:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Warde Guildencrantz
Windows 8 has some good features and some stupid features.

Best way to experience windows 8 is with stardock's Start8 application, it's like 5 bucks and lets you customize whether you want a normal start menu or the metro start menu. (And a lot of other useful stuff)

It even lets you make one windows key open the normal start menu and the other open the metro start menu. It's really nice.

In terms of the metro apps, they will likely go through a couple of updates before being more useful. However, the music app and the photo viewer app are very nice.

The startup acceleration windows 8 has is very cool, however some motherboards' hardware won't work properly when it is turned on (happens in my case where my hard drive controller lags the startup sequence to taking around 10 minutes). With the startup accel turned off, it boots a bit slower than windows 7 but works on any mobo.

Also, have had no real issues with eve on windows 8, cept my teamspeak overlay acts up occasionally.

Only things that I would need to make metro work as I want it is the ability to choose the size of metro tiles, not just "one grid box" or "two grid box" sizes.

Also, their new music app lowers volume when playing a game on GFWL (due to voice communication being activated), which is fairly annoying considering it is their own program.

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TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-11-22 15:01:35 UTC
Havnt used Win8, wouldnt want too...

why?

Because win8 is gonna be like Vista - incredibad.

Win8 is primarily used for mobile devices or a toned down version at least so really the desktop version you could say is a port.

Ports are bad mmkay

Win8 will fail

Win7 is the way to go.

For those who say its faster etc on disk read/write boot etc.

You clearly dont have a optimized fast system.
Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-11-22 15:04:48 UTC
Tippia wrote:
If an OS has to rely on hacks and work-around to be made useful, it has failed on the most fundamental level an OS can fail at.


^^ This.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#36 - 2012-11-22 15:24:03 UTC
cyndrogen wrote:
Metro is a much better interface especially for internet explorer. I like having the FULL screen used and NO menus unless I hover my mouse UP top, also going back and forth between pages is also great because you just touch the left or right side of the monitor and poof an arrow appears. WAY better navigation.

The boot times are faster, the graphics look fantastic and I can alt tab without ANY dcd. There is nothing to get PAST for the interface, the interface is better then what we had before in every way and makes it much easier to navigate.

That's probably the thing I dislike most with the new design. Having to go right to the edge of the screen, every time I want to do something.

Haven't tried Windows 8 running on multiple displays yet. Actually wonder how it's going to work there.

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Alec Freeman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-11-22 15:58:49 UTC
Still deciding to go from XP to 7 on most of my machines. Will be giving 8 a pass for now.

I did try it briefly... seemed pretty terrible.
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Doomheim
#38 - 2012-11-22 16:11:06 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:

Funny, it's working just fine for me. Metro shows up on one screen, while I can use something else on the other. I just think of metro as the start menu. It's open for minimal times, just when I'm starting stuff up. (hit windows key, type a couple of letters, click on the program I want, get back to working)



He has no idea what the hell he is talking about.
JeanMichel Bizarre
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-11-22 16:12:11 UTC
TriadSte wrote:
Havnt used Win8, wouldnt want too...

why?

Because win8 is gonna be like Vista - incredibad.

Win8 is primarily used for mobile devices or a toned down version at least so really the desktop version you could say is a port.

Ports are bad mmkay

Win8 will fail

Win7 is the way to go.

For those who say its faster etc on disk read/write boot etc.

You clearly dont have a optimized fast system.



You, sir, are an idiot!

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Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#40 - 2012-11-22 16:20:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Tom Gerard
JeanMichel Bizarre wrote:
TriadSte wrote:
Havnt used Win8, wouldnt want too...

why?

Because win8 is gonna be like Vista - incredibad.

Win8 is primarily used for mobile devices or a toned down version at least so really the desktop version you could say is a port.

Ports are bad mmkay

Win8 will fail

Win7 is the way to go.

For those who say its faster etc on disk read/write boot etc.

You clearly dont have a optimized fast system.



You, sir, are an idiot!

But he has the right to vote, and his vote just canceled out yours... hows democracy feel now?



Between the lies and misgivings there is one solid inescapable fact:
W8 is an 11% performance increase for about $120.

If you don't have $120 to blow on a performance upgrade, don't buy it. But do the world a favor and stop bad mouthing a product just because you don't have $120.

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