EVE New Citizens Q&A

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Dscan is not capable of letting you warp to anything that isn't already a warpable such as a gate or belt.

Correct. Although iv heard there are ways to probe scan you from outside dscan range.

Not sure though, someone will clarify.

Alternatively create 2 or 3 safe spots in system and bounce between them to prevent being scanned down even with probes.

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Thanks

To stay decently safe at a safe spot: pick a random direction and punch your MWD. He may be able to scan you down but the bookmark should be far enough away that you can escape.

TLDR; "safe-spots" between celestials are not very safe in the long term, so move between them, and never return to used ones.

If you are at a "safe-spot" located between celestials, then it is possible to reach you with only dscan and a lot of time.

However, if you are outside of those paths, then it is pretty much impossible to locate you.

Example:

1. Make mid-warp bookmarks, and use dscan to do a binary search to figure which bookmark is closest. Repeat using the closest bookmarks.

Before mobile warp disruptors had sensor strength, they were un-probeable. I managed to remove one that was located between celestials using only dscan, but one that wasn't between celestials resisted discovery. The one between celestials took maybe an hour or two to reach, but I thought that was good for my first try. The second one was a LOT faster, maybe 15 minutes; I was very surprised when I warped and landed on grid with it (luck is a factor).

2. Repeatedly logging in and out, and making a bookmark upon login. This moves you up to 1m km closer (keep bookmark for new logout spot), or further away (discard bookmark and try again).

I managed to get closer to the one not between celestials very slowly, but never did manage to reach it. The spot was way above the solar plane in a spot further than any bookmark I had collected in many months of daily scanning the w-space system. Given time (probably months to years), and not losing my mind any further to insanity, I could have reached it. I got to within about 2 au. A corpmate destroyed it the day mobile warp disruptors became probeable.

Trivia:


http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=753
http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1303183&page=2#31

There were requests by players to make the bookmark a landmark, but I don't recall if it ever was (I doubt it).

So why bother making deep safes?
If they only protect you from being D scanned, and you cant be warped to anyway without probes, how are they safer?

I edited your question to answer your question.

Others already replied to it but if you look at my previous post it means that because you wouldn't be in scan range from a celestial step 1 simply won't happen making that probing system ineffective. I'd actually have to do several probe cycles to find you, and those extra cycles means extra time to notice the probes on the Dscan. But even for that GOOD probers have solution, there's a trick you can use that involves all 8 probes which really severely limits probe exposure time :)


What you need to learn from all this is that safespots aren't safe at all, if you DO want them to be safe have several set up in the system and run the Dscan every 5 seconds, if you're feeling paranoid for some reason I'd ramp it up to every 2 seconds to make sure you don't mess up. In a deep safe (15+AU away from any celestial and not at an obvious middle spot) you could get away with scanning every 10 seconds but if you're unlucky and are slightly off on your timing you can still get in trouble.

There's a few things you need to know beforehand.

- most ships can be found with probes set to 2AU if you have good skills
- having to resize and "zoom in" probes is annoying as fck and costs tons of time
- probes have a standard deviation (that's what makes it so annoying to use on low skills), this can be lowered by training up Astrometric Pinpointing


Concept:

If you launch 8 probes you can set them up as 2 clusters of 4 where each cluster does its own thing, instead of making two clusters in different spots you should drop/keep them all on the same spot&center, but with different sizes. That way the bigger cluster picks up the target after which you let the smaller cluster do its job and get a 100% hit.


This is how it works:

- launch 4 probes, set them to 2AU (or any other size you need to get a 100% hit) and pull them out in all 4 directions
- select those 4 probes and disable them, launch 4 more probes (in a combat situation you'll ofcourse launch all 8 first, cloak up and then set up the clusters)
- set the new probes to a bigger size depending on circumstances (your skills and the scenario), 16 or 32 AU. Pull those out in all directions
- enable the first 4 again, now you have 2 clusters of probes all on the same centre just with 2 different sizes
- This whole cluster of 8 can be moved around by holding shift
- if you have no idea where the targets might be start "carpet probing" using the outer probes moving around the whole cluster of 8
- if you find a target with those 16 (or 32AU) probes you can then move that WHOLE cluster right on top of the point you found and run a probe cycle again, this is where the inner probes go to work and get the 100% hit. This is also why you need Astro Pinpointing up as much as possible so you have less deviation on the outer probes, meaning they're accurate enough to let the 2AU probes do their work without "losing" the target


So, run cycle, if nothing move whole cluster and run again, if you find something drop the centre of that whole cluster right on top of the target you found, probe again, bingo.. 100% hit. No need for resizing (and the needed "zooming in using alt") probes at all. You need more time setting it up and thus it's only logical to use in certain situations but once you did that it makes probing a LOT faster, ideal for when you are looking for multiple targets (hostile system, looking for AFK/DC/safespots) or if you need to lower probe exposure time. It's like fishing with dynamite, crude yet effective.