Warfare & Tactics

Hunt and fights should be your reward not some lame points

The principal is that while you are picking your fight, i.e. sitting in an appropriate plex in an appropriate place, you can earn pve lp and pvp lp on top when it happens.

This will become more realistic as and when the npc changes come into effect.

there should not be LP reward for kills at all.

PVP itself is a reward.

I don't know where this idea of FW as plain salary for free PvP come from. In EvE PvP always been a cost, not only for the loss cost but also for the time spend roaming, camping, waiting, forming up fleet... all this time is non "productive" ISK wise. One can dislike this... but EvE is so, there're other games offering instant gratificating PvP battlegrounds.

The purpose is to give to ppl in FW an ISk income in line with ohter activities in game, so they can manage support their PvP and estabilish as individuals or groups in warzone systems. And it works fine.

In any other EvE gameplay you need to spend time in a specific PVE ships to grind isk needed to support your PvP, and for sure you'll not engage in any PvP fight while doing it.
The great things of FW is that you can do all at the same time, can roam around doing plexes and eventually engaging in PvP without having to reship. And also plexes are just the natural locations/triggers for PvP engagement.

And it works fine.

Thanks for your post (did read all of it). Just want to comment on the above.

A* Problem here is works alot finer for the PvE only, let me warp out LP horder, than those who rome the skies looking for a fight. I also totaly disagree that ships has to be earned doing mindblowining boring carebear stuff before you can go have fun pvping. This is why eve-online as a game has not managed to grow as rapid as it really shoud in terms of player base.

So I don't think it works fine and there is a lot of room for improvement.

But EvE is not a free pvp arena game type. Is an elaborate military/industrial/economic persistent universe simulation where player versus player competition permeate any aspect of the game at several levels.

However FW just go in the direction you say.

What I like in FW is just the fact that I don't need to setup a specific ship and dedicate specific time for PvE to support myself; when I was in 0.0 I had to and when I undocked in my pimped PvE BS I perfectly knew that no PvP fight was going to happen, simply because makes no sense to engage in PvP with a PvE ship or while you have already a full level4 mission aggo on you.

In FW I can undock in any PvP ship, any ship type I prefer or can afford to loose and I'm free to do anything: can try to catch someone pelxing, engage on a gate or just plexing myself. There's no distinction between "time dedicated to pvp" and "time dedicated to pve", simply I undock and dunno how the day will end (well, most of the time ends with be blown up anyway :))

And anyone can join and be aprt of this, even players with low skills and poor wallets, even individuals or small groups. IThis is also very important and give a chance for so many new players that otherwise should be victim of a slow carebearization while waiting to be ritch enough to not having to worry to PvE.

So when you say "the time I spend searching a fight is not rewarded while the 10-15 minutes to do a plex are rewarded" this is not correct IMHO, simply because for me doing a plex is just part of the time spent searching for a fight. And is the only part of EvE where this time is rewarded.

Let's say you are capturing an outpost, you cleared all and just waiting on the button to complete it. A WT jump in. You can decide to leave and loosing the reward or stay and fight. Staying and fighting (or entering the plex and attacking), PvP, is the only option rewarded.

People have to undock, to be in space, to be in the same areas, to compete to control same point/area, and need to have interest in doing it: this produce pvp.

Then, of course, there's always room to imrpove; I'm not saying is perfect, I'm saying is a good approach.

Sura Sadiva and Taoist Dragon both good points/posts.

I don't disagree that the plexes provide pvp, however they are "quite static in nature" and easy to scan and blob when you are on the outnumbered side. So roaming (jumping gates and moving from system to find targets) and yes we enter plenty of plexes along the way is what we do. Don't really want to sit around for 10+ min at a time....

The LP reward regardless is wrong, a pvp kill should be much higher. As an example I killed a Punisher 2 days ago that was fitted with 1 pulse laser and 2 salvegers, he/she clearly was not setup for pvp activity....

I agree that pvp kill reward should be increased. However I see it more like a plus than like a core FW mechanics able to fuel the FW. Problem I see here is Increasing it too much expose the system to be exploited by alts kill (as already happened in the past months).

Also we're in EvE after all: everywhere in EvE the mere PvP kill is "rewarded" (isk wise) only with the loot. FW is the only place where you get not only the loot but also an LP quote for this. So, pushing too much in this direction can become a game braking.


However something based on standard hull value as for Alex idea, or maybe using the same formula applied for incoming bounty system to calculate the damage could be used.

Veteran pilots sometimes forget, not every pilot on EVE Online have several alts/accounts to sustain themselves for the fun they have on PvP.

For some of us (including me), those times that every ISK counted passed a few years ago. But there are a lot of newbies, who wants to PvP, however have no other means of income except LP. And making FW a niche activity only veterans can contribute to have casual fun just won't help FW at all.

Please consider those, while making comments like "PvP does not require any reward except itself".

Thats all well and good but you need those "lame points" to be able to fund your PVP if you cant put in the hours to have alts ect doing industry/minmatar plexing/incursions ect. I would love to be able to fund the way i enjoy playing eve by playing it that way rather than grinding for hours and hours.

At the moment I and many other i know resort to buying PLEX because real life dosent allow us to make that grind, im ok with that because i dont lose a huge amount of isk a month but there is absolutely nothign wrong with wanting more LP from the current PVP system.