Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well I was just thinking about blobs and thought, why not have a set limit to the amount of ships that can target a single ship [pending on its size].

Now stay with me here... Since ships already have a limit to the amount of objects it can target, why not limit the other way around too? [For RP'er sakes you could blame it on too much interference from the ships to continue to lock onto the target.]

With this target limit on ships there will still be blobs BUT! they would have to call out quite a few targets that you can try to lock up and fire on etc... With the limit it would lessen the alpha coming from these blobs allowing for reps to be effective at their job and while Reps become more effective so can Ewar by countering other Ewar ships and jamming the reps allowing the fight to take on a interesting shape.

As I said it wont remove blobs it would just allow for other aspects of pvp to become apart of it allowing for much longer fights and more close calls. If a Blob is very much larger then the other it would still win mostly due to the fact they would have much more dps spread out over the field making the reps break but it still would be effective on equal fights imho.

Example.
Frigs: 5 -10 people allowed to target it at once.
Cruisers: 10-20 people allowed to target it at once.
Battle Cruisers: 15-25 people allowed to target it at once.
etc..

That is just so you get the idea, numbers would have to be tweaked and so on from people who would understand what would be a fair number.


Thoughts?

That one simple line just blew my mind... Never thought my idea to be bad but you just destroyed it...



Maybe fleet members are exempt from this rule? As to do with the same way fleet warfare links work? Maybe there is just a simple link that is established through fleet's forming up that prevents fleet members targeting each other impeding on the rule.

Interesting concept there, kinda like Stealth bomber's 'Bombs' destroying each other when there is too many etc.

Maybe just a accuracy penalty for having to much incoming fire onto the one ship from, as you said projectiles and beams interfering with each other.

collision damage for nullsec. that would be hilarious. titans would kill half of the support fleet.

Okay. So instead of having a formal fleet I just set up a private chat channel (and of course a voice channel) and we all lock each other. Fleet members have to warp themselves and we don't get boosts, but we become completely untargetable.

this would however imply that remote repair is treated with the same concept to prevent the huge fleet fight where no one can kill each other anymore.



Also Line of sight shooting could be interesting, although server-intensive.

Exactly.

I think this could be easiest to express as an increasing curve of resistance to that damage type over short term duration.
Eventually it would spike, as you can't explode / bake / EMP / crush a target beyond a certain limit over a limited duration.

I've never fought in or against a blob before, and I don't quite understand the problem.

The best way to fight a swarm would be to take out one (or a small number) of targets at a time. Otherwise they can continue to deliver the full swarm's DPS if they are all slightly wounded. If you can concentrate fire on one at a time and switch rapidly when they are destroyed, then that would be the fastest way to limit their DPS and potentially win.

In EVE, this would probably mean something like 5-6 targets at a time, and a few high damage missile arrays (so you don't have to worry about tracking speed), then some fancy fingerwork to just keep targeting and activating missiles in a progressive pattern. Which you can do just fine.

Thus, the game already allows and supports the sort of tactics that would logically be most effective in a battle of one large ship vs. a swarm. So what's the problem?



If that is ineffective in practice, well then... get your own swarm? dozens of well coordinated people probably SHOULD be able to destroy a single or a couple of people in ships that add up to a similar cost...

i always thought if some ones being ultra ultra violence d by some crazy number of people , the wreck gets hammered so bad 0 loots drop.

Most of this is not true or is misleading.

1) Almost every type of object would be utterly destroyed LONG before it approached the center of a black hole. Tidal forces (the difference in gravitational force from one end of an object to the other end) shear things apart pretty far out from the center, and are anything but a "formality."

2) You just pulled the "instantaneous" thing out of your ass. It takes time to be pulled into a black hole, and would take time to be ripped apart or crushed, just like anything else. There's nothing "instantaneous" about it.

3) How would we have any idea at all if a black hole was increasing in volume? Since there's no light coming out of it to observe, and we can't get anywhere near it, there's no way to measure this. That would just be pure conjecture. The core of a black hole could easily expand from a millimeter to 2 millimeters, or from a foot in diameter to 3 feet, or even by a mile or two, or whatever. We would have no way of knowing.