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Amarr vs Minmatar Update

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Soulless Brutor
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-11-21 18:52:39 UTC
Just being curious how is the war going in amarr space, is amarr coming back into its prime again or what. Like I said just being curious so please post, thanks. Bear
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#2 - 2012-11-21 20:40:38 UTC
It'll take a long time for that but it's an upward trend. old faces coming back, new recruits, spais and shizzle.

I think this time though there is a new generation of pilots that can work with the old crew and potntially actually create something that gels in the long run.

We'll see in a few months I guess.

Don't get your hopes up though, EU TZ is still a ***** and will be for a while for amarr.
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#3 - 2012-11-22 00:57:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Deen Wispa
Soulless Brutor wrote:
Just being curious how is the war going in amarr space, is amarr coming back into its prime again or what. Like I said just being curious so please post, thanks. Bear


Bored of the Gallente/Caldari side eh? Couldn't blame you for switching over :)

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .

Ishkaru
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-11-22 02:23:53 UTC
Always good fights to be had if you are in the Amarr militia, I recently joined it myself and it's good fun.
Gunship
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-11-22 09:46:59 UTC
Speaking from a EU TZ point of view:

We are outnumbered 1 to 4 (my estimate)

Since we have less systems now and historically the M side has better ships, so fights are often frigs vs cruisers and T1 vs T2/T3.

On the good side we have more targets.

There are a few choke points like at Eszur that are currently hard to by-pass and it would be very helpful if CCP could put in another link in that would allow a second route between "north and south". Please see this map: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/pdf/Amarr_VS_Minmatar.pdf

A link between Turmur and Oyonata would be useful.






Bengal Bob
Slymsloot Enterprises
#6 - 2012-11-22 10:11:40 UTC
EU TZ the Amarr outnumber the Minmatar and have for some months now. They lack leaderships though so still tend to sit docked in Kamela. About 20-30 most nights, but sometimes up to 40 sitting in station complaining about pvp Sad

Pretty much the only fleets I see are from SORE, IPROT and AGONY, although they don't often seem to work together.

Still a lot of fun to be had, although increasingly skirmish fleets that are cruiser down so that people can cover as many systems and plexes as possible and respond quickly.

Big BS gangs seem to be a thing of the past.
agharaster
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
#7 - 2012-11-22 10:42:23 UTC
I'm waiting for sophisticated cruisers swarms after the patch, hopefully from both sides.
Agent Ardors Hempen
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-11-22 10:58:07 UTC
I just joined, but Amarr does seem to be outnumbered by quite a bit. TL:DR join Amarr militia for max target opportunitiesPiratebut expect some blobbing by minnies.
agharaster
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
#9 - 2012-11-22 13:03:18 UTC
Its not a matter of who blob who.
You are blobbed (you think you are blobbed) only when the opponent is more organised than you.
Sometimes targets outnumber you but they comes lemmings into your plex and you can kill (or you can be killed) one by one.

so

both sides are fun to join and both sides have nice small gangs opportunity and nice FC's, as well as both sides have blobs inside and medium sized scale fights.
Large scale fights are pretty rare lately and all my BS parked in kourm are out of insurance :(
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#10 - 2012-11-22 13:40:59 UTC
agharaster wrote:
Its not a matter of who blob who.
You are blobbed (you think you are blobbed) only when the opponent is more organised than you.
Sometimes targets outnumber you but they comes lemmings into your plex and you can kill (or you can be killed) one by one.

so

both sides are fun to join and both sides have nice small gangs opportunity and nice FC's, as well as both sides have blobs inside and medium sized scale fights.
Large scale fights are pretty rare lately and all my BS parked in kourm are out of insurance :(

- No you are blobbed when opponent brings 3+ times the numbers .. you might think it requires organization but I doubt it as most blob fleets are rag-tag militia and formed by "Join trolololol Fleet!" spam in militia channel.

- If that is how plex fights are conducted these days then it is little wonder that nothing is happening on that front. The old school plexers learned fast that coordinated gate activation with baitbrick -2s and ewar/logi +2s was the only way to enter a hostile plex.

- Nice FCs!?! What are those? "Why FC, what big arms you have", "It is so that I may better cuddle you!" .. heh.

- BS slugouts went away at the same as null became bored as everyone signed the great NAP List of Rainbows .. Titan overflow (how many does one really need to move sanctum loot around?) allowed all sides access to multiple bridges at any time .. if not a militia bridge then some random 200 man null-sheep-herd taking a break from carebearing.

PS: If FW truly has gone back to its roots and is primarily frig -> cruiser then good times. Doubly so when last plexing changes go through and evict what farmers are dumb/persistent/stubborn enough to hang around still.
PPS: Who CARES!!!?! We are going to penetrate Metro through the shiny new backdoors coming this December! Five years I have wanted to make sweet, sweet love to Metro without having to go through the whole extended family .. HUZZAH!
agharaster
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
#11 - 2012-11-22 14:16:35 UTC
Veshta Yoshida wrote:

- No you are blobbed when opponent brings 3+ times the numbers .. you might think it requires organization but I doubt it as most blob fleets are rag-tag militia and formed by "Join trolololol Fleet!" spam in militia channel.

nope we don't grab x from militia chat, we schedule fleets or we simply join when fleets occours.

Veshta Yoshida wrote:

- If that is how plex fights are conducted these days then it is little wonder that nothing is happening on that front. The old school plexers learned fast that coordinated gate activation with baitbrick -2s and ewar/logi +2s was the only way to enter a hostile plex.

Same here, more problematic when an agony arty swarm is in a plex is quite impossible to have a good fight.
Same when rts is plexing in his vigilant in auga... :)

Veshta Yoshida wrote:

- Nice FCs!?! What are those? "Why FC, what big arms you have", "It is so that I may better cuddle you!" .. heh.

my fault, amarr have not nice FC's but we have, and some guys are practicing, more will have the opportunity to try with new t1 cruisers revamp, its just a matter of time.

hopefully

o7
agha
AndromacheDarkstar
Integrated Insterstellar Holdings
#12 - 2012-11-22 14:53:01 UTC
Bengal Bob wrote:
EU TZ the Amarr outnumber the Minmatar and have for some months now. They lack leaderships though so still tend to sit docked in Kamela. About 20-30 most nights, but sometimes up to 40 sitting in station complaining about pvp Sad

Pretty much the only fleets I see are from SORE, IPROT and AGONY, although they don't often seem to work together.

Still a lot of fun to be had, although increasingly skirmish fleets that are cruiser down so that people can cover as many systems and plexes as possible and respond quickly.

Big BS gangs seem to be a thing of the past.



I agree we defiantely lack a form of unified leadership. Agony tend to stick to small gangs and its becoming harder to get the rest of the Amarr milita to be friendly to eachother let alone work closely together.

I disagree about Kamela though, allot less people stay docked these days. Speaking for IPROT we are hardly ever docked if we can help it the issue is we just cant field the same level of PILOT SP you guys can so our ship choices are limited. You can drops caps and have the financial advantage and we just cant counter that. Also i really dont think we outnumber you at all, at least i dont see that from our side.

I dont blame you guys for dropping caps ect, i would if i could but sometimes its excessive. Archon and a Bhaalgorn on a crusier fleet alongside all your BS and BC.

Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#13 - 2012-11-22 15:43:33 UTC
Do the Minmatar still fly nothing but SFI's? I picked up a few of those a while back and they are just insane for a cruiser. Considering how cheap they must be in their LP store I almost couldn't see a reason to fly anything else if I were Minmatar.

I would imagine it must get old fighting those things all day if you were Amarr..
AndromacheDarkstar
Integrated Insterstellar Holdings
#14 - 2012-11-22 16:03:34 UTC
Mutnin wrote:
Do the Minmatar still fly nothing but SFI's? I picked up a few of those a while back and they are just insane for a cruiser. Considering how cheap they must be in their LP store I almost couldn't see a reason to fly anything else if I were Minmatar.

I would imagine it must get old fighting those things all day if you were Amarr..


Actually less so, its been a while since ive seen a massive SFI blob, found 12 of them last night. I personnaly like finding them on their own which we seem to allot, always juicy kills and can be handled in small ships. In a gang they become less fun but hey if i was in the minmatar id be doing the same thing. And hopefully with the winter changes and the knock on effects they will have i will be able to do just that.
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#15 - 2012-11-22 16:17:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
Mutnin wrote:
Do the Minmatar still fly nothing but SFI's? I picked up a few of those a while back and they are just insane for a cruiser. Considering how cheap they must be in their LP store I almost couldn't see a reason to fly anything else if I were Minmatar.

I would imagine it must get old fighting those things all day if you were Amarr..


Actually less so, its been a while since ive seen a massive SFI blob, found 12 of them last night. I personnaly like finding them on their own which we seem to allot, always juicy kills and can be handled in small ships. In a gang they become less fun but hey if i was in the minmatar id be doing the same thing. And hopefully with the winter changes and the knock on effects they will have i will be able to do just that.


Yea, I was thinking more along the lines of having to deal with gangs of them. They do have problem with frigs when alone but I know my fit I was able to solo a Ham drake in mine which is a pretty amazing thing for any cruiser to take out a BC with out using EW and just going slug fest with it.
uredo
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-11-22 16:45:08 UTC
o/ Pred.

Also interested in an EU Amarr Renaissance. Bring back Pred and Zero's fleets like the ol' days.
agharaster
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
#17 - 2012-11-22 18:10:13 UTC
its time to call back First General and the Xeno family (amon and Nephlim).
Soulless Brutor
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-11-22 19:35:44 UTC
uredo wrote:
o/ Pred.

Also interested in an EU Amarr Renaissance. Bring back Pred and Zero's fleets like the ol' days.



Well we may stop by here and there I do miss the old days though all good fun and all, Ill see what I can do to spice things up for the amarr and minmatar fw zone after thanksgiving (stay tuned Twisted).
roigon
TURN LEFT
#19 - 2012-11-22 19:44:52 UTC
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
Bengal Bob wrote:
EU TZ the Amarr outnumber the Minmatar and have for some months now. They lack leaderships though so still tend to sit docked in Kamela. About 20-30 most nights, but sometimes up to 40 sitting in station complaining about pvp Sad

Pretty much the only fleets I see are from SORE, IPROT and AGONY, although they don't often seem to work together.

Still a lot of fun to be had, although increasingly skirmish fleets that are cruiser down so that people can cover as many systems and plexes as possible and respond quickly.

Big BS gangs seem to be a thing of the past.



I agree we defiantely lack a form of unified leadership. Agony tend to stick to small gangs and its becoming harder to get the rest of the Amarr milita to be friendly to eachother let alone work closely together.



Meh, unified leadership is overrated. I'd much rather see collaborative leadership. If you have a goal in mind just start calling around and try to get other corps to help. If you then fail at getting the support needed to execute then there wasn't any wide support for it anyway.

As for agony flying small gangs. One would almost think we where a small gang pvp corporation. Blink
However, if you want to organise something bigger just send an eve mail or convo someone. We don't bite and the worst that can happen is that we aren't interested or simply don't have the people online for it.
AndromacheDarkstar
Integrated Insterstellar Holdings
#20 - 2012-11-22 20:51:24 UTC
roigon wrote:
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
Bengal Bob wrote:
EU TZ the Amarr outnumber the Minmatar and have for some months now. They lack leaderships though so still tend to sit docked in Kamela. About 20-30 most nights, but sometimes up to 40 sitting in station complaining about pvp Sad

Pretty much the only fleets I see are from SORE, IPROT and AGONY, although they don't often seem to work together.

Still a lot of fun to be had, although increasingly skirmish fleets that are cruiser down so that people can cover as many systems and plexes as possible and respond quickly.

Big BS gangs seem to be a thing of the past.



I agree we defiantely lack a form of unified leadership. Agony tend to stick to small gangs and its becoming harder to get the rest of the Amarr milita to be friendly to eachother let alone work closely together.



Meh, unified leadership is overrated. I'd much rather see collaborative leadership. If you have a goal in mind just start calling around and try to get other corps to help. If you then fail at getting the support needed to execute then there wasn't any wide support for it anyway.

As for agony flying small gangs. One would almost think we where a small gang pvp corporation. Blink
However, if you want to organise something bigger just send an eve mail or convo someone. We don't bite and the worst that can happen is that we aren't interested or simply don't have the people online for it.


Dont take it the wrong way, im not saying its an isue that you fly in small gangs, only that generally that removes you from the equation in larger fleet fights. We actually quite often end up flying with a couple of your guys in fleet or feeding us intel ect we just wouldnt come across a 30 agony fleet, not an issue im just pointing it out.
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