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Dev Blog: Bounties, Kill Rights, New Modules and War in Retribution

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CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#61 - 2012-11-21 18:56:09 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
I am not sure I get the kill right system, I don't use it now but just so I know.

* When someone assigns me permission to utilize a kill right can I activate it when I see them and start shooting?
* If a kill right is activated then does that mean that if I fail to kill them like they dock or something is it gone for good or can you use it until a kill?
* If you make it for anyone and a friend pops them in a shuttle is it gone or does it last the month?



  • yes - and everybody else on grid too
  • it's valid for 15 minutes and it can be activated again either until they lose a ship or 30 days have gone by
  • then it's gone, them losing a ship always uses the kill right up

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Dread Operative
Main Corporation
Prisoners With Jobs
#62 - 2012-11-21 18:59:12 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:

I still think reducing the capacity of ASB's only ensures that people will default to the dual-ASB tank, as it simply weakens the use of a solo ASB setup too much. As I've said internally, the problem isn't with single boosted setups near as much as the alternating dual booster fits, I'd much rather see a limit on the number of ASB's one can fit, and maintain their current capacity - than nerf them in this manner (especially since it impacts the smaller sizes more than larger sizes as there is currently no Navy cap booster 25's or 50's.) I really hope the team keeps an open mind here and continues to listen to the community, ASB's have a LOT of potential and are a lot of fun, I just think the path currently being taken to nerf them cuts way down on the number of ships that can use them to begin with by eating up more slots for a second booster.


This.

But CCP will go with their default "we know best" stance, and ignore its player and CSM's.
Marsan
#63 - 2012-11-21 19:04:26 UTC
Iam Widdershins wrote:
hisec warfare is such an excellent introductory arena for aspiring PVPers, \


What are you smoking? Hisec wars are the worse intro to pvp you can get unless you include red vs blue and other groups that use it for consensual pvp that prevents outside interference. Wars in Eve are annoying affairs of station games, gate camping, and hiding. The wars I've been in were boring as the other side rarely fought unless they had a 3 to 1 advantage or massive numbers of neutral repers. The problem with high sec wars is that there is no way for a defender to force an aggressor into battle. Nor is there a reason to do so. Until there is a means to do so most defenders are simply going to station up, drop corp, hang out in LS/NS/WH or the like. The last war I was in our alliance was in the aggressor never left the trade hubs, and stationed up when more than one of us was in system.

If you want a good intro to pvp join one of the newbie training corps, join faction warfare, join a LS corp, join a NS corp.... Heck even joining the Goons will teach you a valuable lesson about eve pvp;-)

PS- I don't disagree that aggressor being able to leave mutual wars is a good idea.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#64 - 2012-11-21 19:09:01 UTC
There has been little talk about the "no multiplier" on war dec cost change. With that change the question comes up: Is it now possible for one group to declare war on every high sec player corp? Lets say there are 300,000 pilots in high sec player corps, and they are divided up into 3000 corps or alliances. Say the average cost to dec these is 100 million. To dec all of them at once costs 300 billion a week.

Now say the group doing the war decs has 3000 pilots who are making isk and contributing it to the wars. They each need to make 100 million a week, less than you need to make to support your account via PLEX.

Conclusion: It is now possible for a single large alliance to turn all of high sec into their own personal shooting gallery, and keep it that way indefinitely. I predict a mass migration to NPC corps.

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Elinea Marcutz
#65 - 2012-11-21 19:09:56 UTC
**IS A FORUM ALT**

I totally wanna start a bounty hunting corp now! Anyone else interest, eve mail me and I'll get back to you from my main!

THIS IS A FORUM ALT!
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#66 - 2012-11-21 19:12:30 UTC
Elinea Marcutz wrote:
**IS A FORUM ALT**

I totally wanna start a bounty hunting corp now! Anyone else interest, eve mail me and I'll get back to you from my main!


me me me me!! Blink

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Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#67 - 2012-11-21 19:14:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Michael Harari
Dread Operative wrote:
Thank you for killing the ASB Ugh. Single ASB ships are now useless because of the huge reduction in charges and dual ASB's are so underwhelming that they will barely be used. Sold off all my Ab's as soon as I read about the change. Why does CCP never listen to us about these "fixes"? Limiting 1 ASB per ship would still make them useful but not OP with the original stats.

Stubborn hardheaded fools sometimes CCP.

PS I have been testing them on the test server, so I know they are le crap now.


Thats really not true. A LASB with 7 charges gives 3003 shields (2700 without heat), a t2 LSE gives 2625. It might be a tad overnerfed, but its definitely not the same heavy handed super nerf other things are getting, like anything that wants to kite a battleship.

Edit: Above numbers are without blue pill or crystals, which obviously make the ASB better.


Edit 2: That said, I would rather they increase let ASBs hold smaller chargers (and fit more), but boost less, so its actually more like an active tank than just increased buffer.
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#68 - 2012-11-21 19:14:55 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Harbingour wrote:
DEV BLOG wrote:
"It will not be possible to place bounties on NPC characters (like agents) or corporations (but you can place a bounty on a player character in a NPC corporation), nor on CCP developers or ISD people."

SadSadAwwww I wasso much looking forward to collect on CCP Soundwave's 2 trillion in bounies LolLolLol

\o/ I am very appreciative of the reduction on putting bounties on Alliances though & it sounds like good fairer amount. ( although a 0.1 ISK bounty minimum would be bestBig smile )


I should note that you also get bounty payouts for killing starbases belonging to that alliance since those kills generate kill reports, with values Big smile

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Dread Operative
Main Corporation
Prisoners With Jobs
#69 - 2012-11-21 19:23:34 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
Dread Operative wrote:
Thank you for killing the ASB Ugh. Single ASB ships are now useless because of the huge reduction in charges and dual ASB's are so underwhelming that they will barely be used. Sold off all my Ab's as soon as I read about the change. Why does CCP never listen to us about these "fixes"? Limiting 1 ASB per ship would still make them useful but not OP with the original stats.

Stubborn hardheaded fools sometimes CCP.

PS I have been testing them on the test server, so I know they are le crap now.


Thats really not true. A LASB with 7 charges gives 3003 shields (2700 without heat), a t2 LSE gives 2625. It might be a tad overnerfed, but its definitely not the same heavy handed super nerf other things are getting, like anything that wants to kite a battleship.

Edit: Above numbers are without blue pill or crystals, which obviously make the ASB better.



I've tested it. On paper it still looks good. But in actual application it is extremely underwhelming.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#70 - 2012-11-21 19:26:01 UTC
Dread Operative wrote:
Michael Harari wrote:
Dread Operative wrote:
Thank you for killing the ASB Ugh. Single ASB ships are now useless because of the huge reduction in charges and dual ASB's are so underwhelming that they will barely be used. Sold off all my Ab's as soon as I read about the change. Why does CCP never listen to us about these "fixes"? Limiting 1 ASB per ship would still make them useful but not OP with the original stats.

Stubborn hardheaded fools sometimes CCP.

PS I have been testing them on the test server, so I know they are le crap now.


Thats really not true. A LASB with 7 charges gives 3003 shields (2700 without heat), a t2 LSE gives 2625. It might be a tad overnerfed, but its definitely not the same heavy handed super nerf other things are getting, like anything that wants to kite a battleship.

Edit: Above numbers are without blue pill or crystals, which obviously make the ASB better.



I've tested it. On paper it still looks good. But in actual application it is extremely underwhelming.


Ive also tested it. My point is that in any fight where you get all 7 charges off, you have tanked more than you would have with an LSE (barring a few rare situations involving passive tank).

And thats comparing LSE to LASB - you can still fit an X-L to a cane or w/e.
Bubanni
Corus Aerospace
#71 - 2012-11-21 19:29:56 UTC
Why not make the bounty payout % slightly higher, the higher their bounty is?

Like say a pilot has 100 mil bounty on his head and his ship gets with 100 mil destroyed value... then the payout % is just 20% like you suggested yourself... but if he had 1 bil on his head it could be 30-40% making it more interesting to hunt pilots with higher bounties

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Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#72 - 2012-11-21 19:31:52 UTC
Bubanni wrote:
Why not make the bounty payout % slightly higher, the higher their bounty is?

Like say a pilot has 100 mil bounty on his head and his ship gets with 100 mil destroyed value... then the payout % is just 20% like you suggested yourself... but if he had 1 bil on his head it could be 30-40% making it more interesting to hunt pilots with higher bounties



You do realize that 20% of 1 bil is more than 20% of 100M, right?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#73 - 2012-11-21 19:37:06 UTC
Bubanni wrote:
Why not make the bounty payout % slightly higher, the higher their bounty is?
Because it makes higher bounties hurt less than lower ones.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#74 - 2012-11-21 19:39:10 UTC
These changes are always welcomed. Keep up the good work!
Harbingour
EVE Corporation 690846961
#75 - 2012-11-21 19:41:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Harbingour
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Elinea Marcutz wrote:
**IS A FORUM ALT**

I totally wanna start a bounty hunting corp now! Anyone else interest, eve mail me and I'll get back to you from my main!


me me me me!! Blink


No fairs you can bounty hunt on us but we can't on you CCP Punkturis, I call shennanagins LolPirate
I hope any kills performed by ISD's or CCP's should be treated like NPC kills & no bounty is awarded to themQuestion Then again maybe it would be a good ISK sink Idea It would be funny to get a bounty report/KM on someone that was killed by an NPC or CCP so you could post the pilots shame of being killed by a rat on battle clinic.
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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#76 - 2012-11-21 19:50:00 UTC
Harbingour wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Elinea Marcutz wrote:
**IS A FORUM ALT**

I totally wanna start a bounty hunting corp now! Anyone else interest, eve mail me and I'll get back to you from my main!


me me me me!! Blink


No fairs you can bounty hunt on us but we can't on you CCP Punkturis, I call shennanagins LolPirate
I hope any kills performed by ISD's or CCP's should be treated like NPC kills & no bounty is awarded to themQuestion Then again maybe it would be a good ISK sink Idea It would be funny to get a bounty report/KM on someone that was killed by an NPC or CCP so you could post the pilots shame of being killed by a rat on battle clinic.

I think he meant he wanted an invite for his non-ccp pilots. We do not get to know who those are.

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CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#77 - 2012-11-21 19:54:46 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Harbingour wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Elinea Marcutz wrote:
**IS A FORUM ALT**

I totally wanna start a bounty hunting corp now! Anyone else interest, eve mail me and I'll get back to you from my main!


me me me me!! Blink


No fairs you can bounty hunt on us but we can't on you CCP Punkturis, I call shennanagins LolPirate
I hope any kills performed by ISD's or CCP's should be treated like NPC kills & no bounty is awarded to themQuestion Then again maybe it would be a good ISK sink Idea It would be funny to get a bounty report/KM on someone that was killed by an NPC or CCP so you could post the pilots shame of being killed by a rat on battle clinic.

I think he meant he wanted an invite for his non-ccp pilots. We do not get to know who those are.


I was just pointing out in a fun way that I like his idea and I hope that people will have fun with bounties and kill rights as that is pretty much the goal of our feature Big smile

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Celebris Nexterra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2012-11-21 19:56:05 UTC
Seconding what Hans said. I hate dual ASB setups with the fiery passion of a thousand burning suns, but single ASB setups really add a lot of variation to the game, which is always nice. With nerfing capacity across the board and small/medium ASBs having a max capacity of 10, you're absolutely destroying their use. ASBs aren't clearly broken until you fight a dual XLASB Maelstrom or dual MASB Hawk, both of whose tank and damage are completely invulnerable to cap warfare. So don't nerf what isn't broken. Either that or add Navy 25s and 50s.

That being said, the rest of this blog is teh awesomez.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#79 - 2012-11-21 19:56:46 UTC

I love the bounty changes.... You're doing an Awesome Job!!!!

There are still some areas of the new crimewatch system that need elaboration / consideration. When can expect to see an update on the crimewatch changes?

BeanBagKing
The Order of Atlas
#80 - 2012-11-21 19:59:09 UTC
Can't wait to place bounties on forum trolls :)