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Dev Blog: Bounties, Kill Rights, New Modules and War in Retribution

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Kelduum Revaan
The Ebon Hawk
#41 - 2012-11-21 18:02:54 UTC
Iam Widdershins wrote:
...I'm saddened to see you have yet again raised the base cost of declaring war. I strongly believe we need to reduce the minimum cost of war declarations; hisec warfare is such an excellent introductory arena for aspiring PVPers, and the current costs are just so high.


The "minimum" cost hasn't changed, its still 50M ISK/week, only the "cost effectiveness" of the war has changed. That said, maybe the "aspiring PvPers" could choose a smaller target, or offer their services in someone else's wardec as an ally which is entirely free?

There's also LoSec if they want to PvP (with the updated killrights only on pods there, and new flagging it will hopefully be more active), and bounty hunting in HiSec should become an interesting profession now - there are plenty of places a small corp of inexperienced PvPers can go if they don't want to join an already established group.

And of course, who is that short on cash they can't afford the maximum cost of 500M ISK a week between them? If they don't have at least that much, how are they going to replace their ships?


Callic Veratar wrote:
Why would you send the name of the person placing the bounty?
This is something I raised, as its just going to result in more alts, but without it there are less repercussions.

i expect to see "bounty alts" to spring up as a mini profession in the near future.
Naomi Wildfire
Sonnenlegion
Shadow Cartel
#42 - 2012-11-21 18:03:07 UTC
I for one still think the old ASB should have been limited to 1 per Ship, nothing else.

Either run 1 and hope it lasts the fight or use it as support for your active booster.

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Alara IonStorm
#43 - 2012-11-21 18:07:32 UTC
I am not sure I get the kill right system, I don't use it now but just so I know.

* When someone assigns me permission to utilize a kill right can I activate it when I see them and start shooting?
* If a kill right is activated then does that mean that if I fail to kill them like they dock or something is it gone for good or can you use it until a kill?
* If you make it for anyone and a friend pops them in a shuttle is it gone or does it last the month?
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#44 - 2012-11-21 18:07:59 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Spurty wrote:
thanks for the clarification, namely:

" Having a bounty on you will never by itself make you a legal target anywhere."

Phew
Note, though, that it will make you a more likely target. A freighter pilot with a sufficient bounty on his head will readily pay out 300M ISK for the ship alone (to say nothing about the inevitable lost cargo), and that goes a long way towards making it a “free kill”. Jump Freighters will similarly be able to pay out enough ISK to pay for the lost ships in a gank, even if not a single piece of loot drops, if the bounty is high enough.


Yes, it does have serious consequences in terms of shifting suicide gank profitability thresholds. And the direction of shift is downwards.
Aethlyn
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2012-11-21 18:09:22 UTC
Don't think this has been asked here so far: Are there any plans for adjusting access to implants in space? E.g. to avoid people ripping out implants when they know they can't get away to avoid them showing up on kill mails (and to reduce bounty payouts)?

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Alara IonStorm
#46 - 2012-11-21 18:09:53 UTC
Naomi Wildfire wrote:
I for one still think the old ASB should have been limited to 1 per Ship, nothing else.

Either run 1 and hope it lasts the fight or use it as support for your active booster.

I would like them to sort out fitting as well. The big reason the XL-SB wasn't used much sub Battleship was Capacitor. Now Battlecruiser can fit it comfortably as well as some Cruiser. I think they should up the Grid to 1000 on it before limiting it. Maybe buff the Large a tiny bit if needed for the 1 you can fit to your ship.
Harbingour
EVE Corporation 690846961
#47 - 2012-11-21 18:13:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Harbingour
Versuvius Marii wrote:

Also
Quote:
The aggressor now has the option to retract a war that has been made mutual by the defender. This ends the war in 24 hours. The other option here was to give the aggressor a chance to accept or refuse making the war mutual, but we felt the retraction was a cleaner and simpler solution.



Were Goons one of the ones perma-locked into war? Roll [/tinfoil]


Of course they were but I don't want to get into that again & get forum banned like my main Roll
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Callic Veratar
#48 - 2012-11-21 18:22:19 UTC
Kelduum Revaan wrote:
Callic Veratar wrote:
Why would you send the name of the person placing the bounty?
This is something I raised, as its just going to result in more alts, but without it there are less repercussions.

i expect to see "bounty alts" to spring up as a mini profession in the near future.


Unfortunately, the only repercussions I can see are to the people who are not familiar enough with eve to know you can get around it by creating an alt. But then, trial by fire is the way of eve and I guess this will be no different.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#49 - 2012-11-21 18:26:41 UTC
I cannot get over how badly designed the MJD is.

The rest of the blog is pretty cool, particularly making reactive hardeners better, and making bounty hunting an actual thing. But dear god, that MJD is so silly.
Alystin Wyndyl
Night's Shadows
#50 - 2012-11-21 18:27:20 UTC
CCP Paradox wrote:
Iam Widdershins wrote:
agrajag119 wrote:
Salvage drones - you specifically call out "your own wrecks". will this include fleet members or corp members as well. I know nuetral wrecks were mentioned too, but this sounds like a corner case that might get missed.


They already stated that this would basically differentiate based on the color of the wrecks; drones will auto-salvage white and blue wrecks but leave yellow alone. This means that fleet members' wrecks will be perfectly available.


But you can target a Yellow wreck manually and then tell your drones to salvage it, if you choose to go down that dark, dark path.


I was testing this last night on Buckingham, and it does NOT work as advertised, at least not all the time. I was using two toons, one in a carrier and the other in a guardian with salvage drones, and the drones would not auto-salvage any of the WHITE wrecks (they were the other fleet member's wrecks, not mine) and they would also NOT auto-salvage any of the blue wrecks (once he abandoned all nearby wrecks). they did work earlier on my own wrecks I made testing once of the new destroyers. I had to specifically send the drones after each of the white and blue wrecks that were not tagged to my Alliance. Devs please take a look at that.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#51 - 2012-11-21 18:30:51 UTC
Quote:
It will not be possible to place bounties on NPC characters (like agents) or corporations (but you can place a bounty on a player character in a NPC corporation), nor on CCP developers or ISD people.


what would be kinda neat is if you would add an exception for certain live event characters. just as a hint :) its certainly a nice isk sink

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Manssell
OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate
#52 - 2012-11-21 18:32:11 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:

I still think reducing the capacity of ASB's only ensures that people will default to the dual-ASB tank, as it simply weakens the use of a solo ASB setup too much. As I've said internally, the problem isn't with single boosted setups near as much as the alternating dual booster fits, I'd much rather see a limit on the number of ASB's one can fit, and maintain their current capacity - than nerf them in this manner (especially since it impacts the smaller sizes more than larger sizes as there is currently no Navy cap booster 25's or 50's.) I really hope the team keeps an open mind here and continues to listen to the community, ASB's have a LOT of potential and are a lot of fun, I just think the path currently being taken to nerf them cuts way down on the number of ships that can use them to begin with by eating up more slots for a second booster.




Pretty much this.

Your right, It wouldn't be as bad if Navy cap boosters came in the 25 and 50 size but when that gets brought up CCP gives the old "we might do that in the future" line, so not encouraging. The problem is (at least as I see it) with this solution they are really hitting frigates and destroyers hard with the nerf bat, to fix a cruiser and up mechanic.
Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
#53 - 2012-11-21 18:34:30 UTC
Quote:
One final note is that we’re also making a small adjustment to the Noctis. We’re giving it a drone bay of 25m³. Initially, this was limited to salvage drones only, but we decided to remove that restriction, so you can now put any drone type in there.


Very much appreciated, always found the noctis lacking a dronebay incase of "future" salvage drones odd.

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Aethlyn
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2012-11-21 18:35:14 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
what would be kinda neat is if you would add an exception for certain live event characters. just as a hint :) its certainly a nice isk sink

Live Event characters are probably different anyway, as you can add them to your watch list as well etc. (something that doesn't work with real "NPCs" as far as I know. :)

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Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#55 - 2012-11-21 18:35:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarvos Telesto
"If the kill right is made available to everyone, but at a low price, the targeted player can simply use an alt or a friend to get rid of the kill right. This is then just an extra hoop to jump through for those players frequently causing others to get kill rights on them."

I like most of changes in bounty system, but his...


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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#56 - 2012-11-21 18:37:57 UTC
Quote:
For the Micro Jump Drive, we will start by just doing a large version of this module (Large Micro Jump Drive), which only battleship size ships can fit (Battleships, Marauders and Black Ops). Here are a few pertinent points:

no combat recons anymore :-(

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Harbingour
EVE Corporation 690846961
#57 - 2012-11-21 18:38:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Harbingour
The spacerich CSM's dictated to the DEV's whom wrote:

Also, we’ve changed a little bit how the cost scales depending on number of characters in defender corp/alliance. The cost now starts ramping up faster than before and thus hits the ceiling of 500 million sooner. Before the cost started scaling up around the 128 character mark and hit the ceiling at ca. 7200. After the change, the cost starts ramping up with the 51st character and hits the ceiling at the 2000 character mark.


When are we going to hear if these changes actually increase or decreased the war dec ISK sink in the economy?
Are there actually more war declarations then before Inferno's release or has the hi costs of war decc'ing the big alliances stifled the number of war dec's? I WANT STATS!!! ( I miss CCP Diagoras Cry )
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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#58 - 2012-11-21 18:48:26 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Salpad wrote:
Also, why do you make it known to the target who placed the bounty? People are just going to use disposable or secrets alts to place bounties anyway. It's a silly mechanic.


from our initial feedback we got that some people wanted the name there and others not, for those who want to make it known like "yo I don't like you, I'm placing a bounty on you" can just do it with their own dude... others can use alts or a corporation specializing in placing bounties for others Blink

Then give me a checkbox: "Tell target who placed the bounty?" instead of having me make an alt.

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#59 - 2012-11-21 18:50:04 UTC
Thank you for killing the ASB Ugh. Single ASB ships are now useless because of the huge reduction in charges and dual ASB's are so underwhelming that they will barely be used. Sold off all my Ab's as soon as I read about the change. Why does CCP never listen to us about these "fixes"? Limiting 1 ASB per ship would still make them useful but not OP with the original stats.

Stubborn hardheaded fools sometimes CCP.

PS I have been testing them on the test server, so I know they are le crap now.
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Immemorial Coalescence
#60 - 2012-11-21 18:54:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Akrasjel Lanate
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