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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-11-21 04:49:32 UTC
GreenSeed wrote:
if you are not using a sentry gila you are doing it wrong.

if you are using a sentry gila the npc changes don't affect you at all.

unless you are not snipping, in which case you need to learn to use sentries. :)

How would the NPC changes not affect you even if using sentries?
Gabrielle Lamb
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-11-21 05:08:25 UTC
Goldensaver wrote:
Songbird wrote:
mach has the same range bonus as the vargur - was that also a mistake - I think not - in fact if I am not mistaken the vargur came AFTER that falloff patch? Also the vaga has the same bonus - albeit for medium guns - is this also a mistake. Same for one of the subsystems of the loki.

I think the 10% bonus to falloff per level is legitimate - especially for a pirate ship which is a lot like a t2.5. Not as good as a t3 ship( if there were t3 BS) but better than a t2. As it is, the mach has a small ( I think 1/2 turret ) DPS advantage over the vargur and it also has speed and agility vs the vargur's better tank and tracking bonus.

Leave my mach alone you bastards!

My math told me 1 more effective turret... in addition to being much faster and more maneuverable with a higher sensor strength, more alpha strike, and I don't think it gets all that much less tank, if a person would be bothered to tank their Mach.

And I do think the 10% bonus to falloff is a bit much. With 800mm's and 2 TE's you get 89km falloff with Barrage. Your falloff is longer than your locking range. And your falloff with RF EMP (close range ammo) is 59km. That's some pretty ridiculous range for close range, damage type selectable ammo.


It has been stated already but Mach falloff was double baffed by mistake. TE's were buffed at the same time Mach it self was.
Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#23 - 2012-11-21 06:01:04 UTC
Gabrielle Lamb wrote:
Goldensaver wrote:
Songbird wrote:
mach has the same range bonus as the vargur - was that also a mistake - I think not - in fact if I am not mistaken the vargur came AFTER that falloff patch? Also the vaga has the same bonus - albeit for medium guns - is this also a mistake. Same for one of the subsystems of the loki.

I think the 10% bonus to falloff per level is legitimate - especially for a pirate ship which is a lot like a t2.5. Not as good as a t3 ship( if there were t3 BS) but better than a t2. As it is, the mach has a small ( I think 1/2 turret ) DPS advantage over the vargur and it also has speed and agility vs the vargur's better tank and tracking bonus.

Leave my mach alone you bastards!

My math told me 1 more effective turret... in addition to being much faster and more maneuverable with a higher sensor strength, more alpha strike, and I don't think it gets all that much less tank, if a person would be bothered to tank their Mach.

And I do think the 10% bonus to falloff is a bit much. With 800mm's and 2 TE's you get 89km falloff with Barrage. Your falloff is longer than your locking range. And your falloff with RF EMP (close range ammo) is 59km. That's some pretty ridiculous range for close range, damage type selectable ammo.


It has been stated already but Mach falloff was double baffed by mistake. TE's were buffed at the same time Mach it self was.

Yeah, but he's claiming that because the Vargur has it, then the Machariel is fine with its bonus. I agree... if the falloff mod on TE's gets nerfed. Otherwise, it has to be nerfed.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#24 - 2012-11-21 12:14:27 UTC
Get a rattlesnake.

Put on a MWD.

Use sentries.

You'll wonder why you ever bothered with the gila for L4's.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#25 - 2012-11-21 14:02:21 UTC
NPC's will only shoot drones who are damage them. Most battleship NPC's and BC's will miss. You will still be able to tank whole rooms, so when you think about it, only sentries will be a bad choice (since they are static and cant speed-tank turrets, which are the biggest form of DPS, even for guris)>
Kristopher Rocancourt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-11-21 14:03:30 UTC
Sunglasses At Midnight wrote:
If you're looking for an expensive and agile ship to do missions in, why the Gila? It's a bit of an ugly duckling (meh, Moa hull in a nutshell) and there's ships out there that do the same thing. Is it just for style? Or do you have some hatred of the Machariel?

you actually CARE what the ship looks like??!?!?

do you only fly Amarr Shuttles?

http://killalliance.co.uk/tears/tears-holeysheet/

Risien Drogonne
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-11-21 17:20:32 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
NPC's will only shoot drones who are damage them. Most battleship NPC's and BC's will miss. You will still be able to tank whole rooms, so when you think about it, only sentries will be a bad choice (since they are static and cant speed-tank turrets, which are the biggest form of DPS, even for guris)>

That's why I think the Rattlesnake will have an edge on the Gila in the next patch. The Rattlesnake doesn't need to move. You can sit there like a cement truck in space and pick up your aggroed sentries.
Songbird
#28 - 2012-11-21 17:40:25 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD TYPE40
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Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-11-22 03:02:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty Bear
Sunglasses At Midnight wrote:
If you're looking for an expensive and agile ship to do missions in, why the Gila? It's a bit of an ugly duckling (meh, Moa hull in a nutshell) and there's ships out there that do the same thing. Is it just for style? Or do you have some hatred of the Machariel?


You can fit it like a Drake to get an almost similar tank
it has the much smaller Sig of a Cruiser, not the bloated Sig of a BC
It has the faster locking speed of cruiser, not the slow locking speed of a BC

It has a smaller volley damage rating, but a significantly higher overall DPS rating than a drake
it does cost more than the drake though ...

it has far more fitting options open to it than many other ships are capable of offering aswell
so it's also versatile, with a very capital V.


it is 1 of 3 cruiser based platforms that can do around 800 DPS
the others are the Ishtar & vigilant.
Karig'Ano Keikira
Tax Cheaters
#30 - 2012-11-22 13:21:48 UTC
I know a guy who runs wormholes in his gila. He also does great service to gila industry, but that is unrelated :), anyway he claims it is no problem in c1 - c3, so I guess it cannot be that bad in missions either
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