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Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-11-21 14:42:01 UTC
I would like to share my first gas harvesting experience.

Last night I was bored and decided to to scan down some sights so I loaded up my buzzard with some probes and undocked. After about 10 mins of finding sights that have been all used up I found a nice little wormhole that seemed pretty quiet. Once in the wormhole I started scanning like crazy. I am pretty noobish when it comes to wormholes but they are truely fun and I actually feel safe in them than null or low sec.

Probes out and sleeper sites on scan low and behold I find a ladar site with some C72 gas pockets. Now I have never harvested gas so I instantly opened google and went to the eve uni wiki site. Ouch I discovered I need to skill up and fast so I don’t lose these pockets.

After half a dozen jumps to grab the Gas skill book and some T1 harvesters I fit up a thorax I have collecting dust in my hanger and I am off. By the time I get back to the pockets Lvl 1 is done and I am able to harvest.

I am an Indy by nature and boy did I think mining was boring but gas harvesting is I think the absolute most boring activity in EVE but.... boy is wormhole gas profitable. After a few hours and my skill que allowing me to use up to 3 harvesters I started to realize I need my alt to haul this commodity back to High sec. Couple of jumps later my hauling boat is making runs with pure profit in its cargohold.

In the end I made alittle over 500mil for a few hours of gas harvesting in a nice quiet wormhole and I have to say I love it.

I do have two questions. What boat is the best for gas harvesting and do you see a significant yield increase when using T2 harvesters?

Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons.
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#2 - 2012-11-21 14:53:35 UTC
Gas harvesting lvl4 = meh.
Gas harvesting lvl5 = T2 modules and a fifth module = double yield.
Don't forget the ganglink and, if you're serious about it, the implant.

I AM SPACE CAPTAIN REPPYK. BEWARE.

Proud co-admin of frugu.net, a French fansite about EVE !
Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-11-21 15:00:41 UTC
Reppyk wrote:
Gas harvesting lvl4 = meh.
Gas harvesting lvl5 = T2 modules and a fifth module = double yield.
Don't forget the ganglink and, if you're serious about it, the implant.


Sweet my skill level will allow me the 5th module in a few days. I will have to remember the ganglink but I know im not going to bring an orca into the WH. I have the implant just havent used it yet. Somebody told me a roch is a good gas harvester is that true?

Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#4 - 2012-11-21 15:02:30 UTC
Reppyk wrote:
Gas harvesting lvl4 = meh.
Gas harvesting lvl5 = T2 modules and a fifth module = double yield.
Don't forget the ganglink and, if you're serious about it, the implant.

Canes make great gas harvesters. but really any ship with at least 5 turret slots and a decent cargo hold is good.

I agree with the statement above. If you are serious about gas harvesting getting it to 5 so you can use 5 T2 harvesters is well worth the effort.

You didn't say if those few hours you spent was enough to harvest all the gas. If not you could have doubled you income in that time having the skills to 5 with T2 harvesters. If you did deplete the gas, well then you could have made the same isk in half the time, still doubling your isk/hr.

Wormholes are great isk/hr Just think, most WHers don't bother with the gas as it is not worth the effort compared to most other WH activities. Making 500 mil an hour is very common in a wormhole. you just need to factor in the times when you make nothing waiting for new sites to spawn. Day triping can be very fun though, as you have discovered.
Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-11-21 15:04:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Christy D Floyd
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Reppyk wrote:
Gas harvesting lvl4 = meh.
Gas harvesting lvl5 = T2 modules and a fifth module = double yield.
Don't forget the ganglink and, if you're serious about it, the implant.

Canes make great gas harvesters. but really any ship with at least 5 turret slots and a decent cargo hold is good.

I agree with the statement above. If you are serious about gas harvesting getting it to 5 so you can use 5 T2 harvesters is well worth the effort.

You didn't say if those few hours you spent was enough to harvest all the gas. If not you could have doubled you income in that time having the skills to 5 with T2 harvesters. If you did deplete the gas, well then you could have made the same isk in half the time, still doubling your isk/hr.

Wormholes are great isk/hr Just think, most WHers don't bother with the gas as it is not worth the effort compared to most other WH activities. Making 500 mil an hour is very common in a wormhole. you just need to factor in the times when you make nothing waiting for new sites to spawn. Day triping can be very fun though, as you have discovered.



Canes huh that is awesome I have a few of those collecting dust also. I do appreciate the tips. To answer your question no I didnt deplete the sites. If they are still there when I get off work I hope to finish them off then.

Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons.
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#6 - 2012-11-21 15:15:43 UTC
Christy D Floyd wrote:
Sweet my skill level will allow me the 5th module in a few days. I will have to remember the ganglink but I know im not going to bring an orca into the WH.
You don't need an orca for the ganglink, just use a BC with 5 turrets and enough CPU (cane/ferox).

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John DaiSho
One Risky Click
Snuffed Out
#7 - 2012-11-21 16:55:04 UTC
I used a Brutix, 5 Harvesters, Mining ganglink and a cloak
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#8 - 2012-11-21 16:56:43 UTC
Christy D Floyd wrote:

I do have two questions. What boat is the best for gas harvesting and do you see a significant yield increase when using T2 harvesters?


Probably the new ORE Frigate. I forgot what it's called, but it's supposed to be awesome.

I don't remember how much better the T2 gassers suck, but I'd presume it is significant. In general T2 modules are 20% better than T1 ones, but for Miner modules it's 50%, 40 m/3 vs 60 m/3. It's possible there's a similarly impressive jump in performance for T2 gas suckers vs T1 ones. Even if there isn't, though, you seem to like gas mining a lot, so there's no reason for you not to go for T2 ones.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#9 - 2012-11-21 16:58:41 UTC
Reppyk wrote:
Christy D Floyd wrote:
Sweet my skill level will allow me the 5th module in a few days. I will have to remember the ganglink but I know im not going to bring an orca into the WH.
You don't need an orca for the ganglink, just use a BC with 5 turrets and enough CPU (cane/ferox).


You do need to be in a fleet to use the Ganglink, though.

To the OP: How many m3 of gas did you suck to get those 500M ISK of profit? The ORE Frigate can contain 5000 m3 of gas. How much did you suck?
Matt Ellis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-11-21 17:03:27 UTC
Salpad wrote:
Christy D Floyd wrote:

I do have two questions. What boat is the best for gas harvesting and do you see a significant yield increase when using T2 harvesters?


Probably the new ORE Frigate. I forgot what it's called, but it's supposed to be awesome.

I don't remember how much better the T2 gassers suck, but I'd presume it is significant. In general T2 modules are 20% better than T1 ones, but for Miner modules it's 50%, 40 m/3 vs 60 m/3. It's possible there's a similarly impressive jump in performance for T2 gas suckers vs T1 ones. Even if there isn't, though, you seem to like gas mining a lot, so there's no reason for you not to go for T2 ones.



T1 Harvesters suck in 10m3 per cycle(30 seconds). Put 5 of those, you have 50m3 per 30 Seconds.
T2 Harvesters suck in 20m3(so thats double) per cycle(40 seconds). 5 of those, 100m3 per 40 Seconds.

If we do the maths, and say for every 600seconds(10 minutes), the t1s take 20 cycles(1000m3)
T2s, 14 cycles(1400m3) Thats 40% better! Thats not half bad, especially for a 4 day train... easily make the money back on the mods, and the time back...
Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-11-21 17:12:02 UTC
Salpad wrote:
Reppyk wrote:
Christy D Floyd wrote:
Sweet my skill level will allow me the 5th module in a few days. I will have to remember the ganglink but I know im not going to bring an orca into the WH.
You don't need an orca for the ganglink, just use a BC with 5 turrets and enough CPU (cane/ferox).


You do need to be in a fleet to use the Ganglink, though.

To the OP: How many m3 of gas did you suck to get those 500M ISK of profit? The ORE Frigate can contain 5000 m3 of gas. How much did you suck?

LOL I suck alot but I honestly dont remeber since I am at work and cant pull up my sell orders. When I log next I will update this post. I am definetly going to invest in the t2 mods.

Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#12 - 2012-11-21 20:48:18 UTC
This is what I used in w-space:

[Ferox, Gas Harvester]
Co-Processor II
'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I
'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I
Damage Control II

Large Shield Extender II
Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Hornet EC-300 x5



[Ferox, Gas Command]
Caldari Navy Co-Processor
'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I
'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I
Damage Control II

Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
EM Ward Amplifier II
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II

[empty high slot]
Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Hornet EC-300 x5
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-11-21 21:07:59 UTC
The problem with the Ore frigate is that it only has 3 high slots meaning you lose 2 additional T2 gas harvesters. In addition you really never want to enter a wormhole without a probe launcher. This is why battlecruisers are so nice as gas boats. You can have 5 T2 gas harvesters and your probe launcher.

The cane will have 2041m3 cargo space with 6 exapnded cargoholds, and 3103m3 with 3 medium cargohold opts.

I personally never fitted any type of tank, and just did a bare minimum setup because chances are very slim that if you need tank, you'll even be able to escape. Keep the costs as low as possible to keep isk losses down.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#14 - 2012-11-21 21:20:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Styth spiting wrote:
I personally never fitted any type of tank, and just did a bare minimum setup because chances are very slim that if you need tank, you'll even be able to escape. Keep the costs as low as possible to keep isk losses down.

Proton Power, who used to borrow my ships and return them damaged (grr!), might disagree.

One encounter he described to me, as I was wondering why yet again one of my ships was damaged, he managed to burn out of point range (he had swapped the wstabs for cargo expanders), so he appreciated the tank & MWD. Bear

In another, he knew the ship was lost, so he typed an incomplete sentence like "ransom" in local, and it may have been misinterpreted as he was ransoming them, and the two attackers warped away. Shocked
Infinite Force
#15 - 2012-11-21 22:51:01 UTC
Styth spiting wrote:
The problem with the Ore frigate is that it only has 3 high slots meaning you lose 2 additional T2 gas harvesters. In addition you really never want to enter a wormhole without a probe launcher. This is why battlecruisers are so nice as gas boats. You can have 5 T2 gas harvesters and your probe launcher.

The cane will have 2041m3 cargo space with 6 exapnded cargoholds, and 3103m3 with 3 medium cargohold opts.

I personally never fitted any type of tank, and just did a bare minimum setup because chances are very slim that if you need tank, you'll even be able to escape. Keep the costs as low as possible to keep isk losses down.

The ORE frigate at ORE Frigate 5 will have the effective yeild of 5.33 GCH's. You can read the dev post.

On the test server, so far, I've fit a cloak in the 3rd high. I haven't tried anything else yet.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-11-22 00:00:43 UTC
Styth spiting wrote:
The problem with the Ore frigate is that it only has 3 high slots meaning you lose 2 additional T2 gas harvesters. In addition you really never want to enter a wormhole without a probe launcher. This is why battlecruisers are so nice as gas boats. You can have 5 T2 gas harvesters and your probe launcher.

The cane will have 2041m3 cargo space with 6 exapnded cargoholds, and 3103m3 with 3 medium cargohold opts.

I personally never fitted any type of tank, and just did a bare minimum setup because chances are very slim that if you need tank, you'll even be able to escape. Keep the costs as low as possible to keep isk losses down.


Yes and with the bonuses those 2 gas harvesters will suck as much as 5 harvesters on an unbonused ship.

It's a frigate with frigate align times, +2 warp strength and a 5000m hold for gas. Most low end WH ladar sites a cloud will fit within 5000m, so in almost all cases you will be able to fit one entire cloud in the hold without going back for a hauler.

I currently have 2 harvesting toons. I use one in a thorax and one in a ferox. They will both be getting ore frigs come December.
Daargnoth
Moonway Technique Milf
#17 - 2012-11-22 00:49:09 UTC
The ORE frigate will get a bonus to gas mining, making its two gas harvesters give the same yield as 5 would on another ship. And it's got a 5k m3 orehold, and will probably come at a low pricetag. Not too bad for gas harvesting I'd say
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-11-22 04:32:11 UTC
Thats right, I forgot they added the 100% gas harvesting yield onto it. Then yes it will be a great gas harvesting ship to sneak into wh's.
Tiger Armani
End-Game
#19 - 2012-11-22 13:47:42 UTC
Best duo gas harvesting will be BC with ganglink and one ore frigate.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#20 - 2012-11-22 15:00:35 UTC
Christy D Floyd wrote:
Reppyk wrote:
Gas harvesting lvl4 = meh.
Gas harvesting lvl5 = T2 modules and a fifth module = double yield.
Don't forget the ganglink and, if you're serious about it, the implant.


Sweet my skill level will allow me the 5th module in a few days. I will have to remember the ganglink but I know im not going to bring an orca into the WH. I have the implant just havent used it yet. Somebody told me a roch is a good gas harvester is that true?



I use my Rohk. 13 (x5 GH2's) cycles of cargo space if using Expanders.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
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