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@ CCP FoxFour - how about moving some of the low-value, drops-a-lot in missions stuff to the market? "Elite Drone AI" is my most obvious item. Selling some of this stuff on contract compared to the market is painful.

I'd suggest getting somebody to run some data on stuff that's sold on contract either for low-values or in large quantities, and prioritising that list.



Have you seen the "orders" tab on the Market Window?

Looks good, can't wait till the 4th

Nice stuff. Thank you.

How about applying the same organization love to the LP store?

Oh my god, thank you.

I've been hoping for a revised market nesting order (think EFT) for nearly all my 7 years of playing this game.

This has been posted several times in the "Soundwave, HALP!" little things thread, too. Its something that would be VERY handy. So pleeeeeaaaaaase do it :)

o7 John

I've thought about posting it in the Little Things thread, on several occasions, but I've made a lot of other posts in that thread, and I'm not sure how much attention CCP pays to new threads. So I opted for here instead.

Nice touch! How about a re-arrangement of the order of the way the items are listed in the market?

Currently, the items aren't seemed to be following any particular order when listed in the market tree.

I'm a missile user, so allow me to use missile launchers as example.

To me, it seemed to be logical that the "light" stuffs should be at the top, since that would be what everyone begins the game with. Then as a player progresses through the game and learns the rope of "heavier" stuffs, then he/she will scroll further down to find the big guns.

However, the current order in Missile Launchers category is:

1. Citadel Launchers
2. Cruise Launchers
3. Heavy Assault Launchers
4. Heavy Launchers
5. Light Missile Launchers
6. Rapid Light Missile Launchers
7. Rocket Launchers
8. Torpedo Launchers

From top to bottom, it goes from Capital--sized weapon, to Battleship, to Cruiser-sized, to Frigates, and the last one back to Battleship. A bit odd, no? If we are to follow the progression path of skills or ship-size, it should be sorted like this:

1. Rocket Launchers
2. Light Missile Launchers
3. Rapid Light Missile Launchers
4. Heavy Launchers
5. Heavy Assault Launchers
6. Cruise Missile Launchers
7. Torpedo Launchers
8. Citadel Launchers

Or in reverse order, if you think the heavy stuffs should go on top. But as a sub-cap player, I honestly hope that I can filter things that I don't even plan to use out of the way, like the other suggestion earlier in this thread. Anyway, it's a separate topic.

Next, the order of the items within the sub-categories.
Let's look at the Cruise Missile Launchers.
Right now, I see them listed as:

1. Cruise Missile Launcher I
2. 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
3. 'Limos' Cruise Launcher I
4. 'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I
5. XT-9000 Cruise Launcher I
6. Cruise Missile Launcher II

Again, I don't see what is the exact logic used here in the sorting system. Probably along the line of Tech 1 > Ascending Alphabetical order > Tech 2.

However, in practicality, the efficiency of the launchers mattered more than the name of the modules, since the naming convention doesn't follow alphabetical or numerical order to show its ascending power. As such, when I was still new to New Eden, I constantly had to force myself to memorize the names of the best Tech 1 item by manually going through each item to see its stats and compare, and that still continues whenever I venture into a group of modules that I rarely use.

In my opinion, if the items are sorted in terms of its efficiency, something that the Meta Level seems to represent, we can cut down the time a new (or forgetful pilot) spends on running through half the list only to find out that actually the first module after the base Tech 1 module is the best named T1 module. Some game/server performance saver there, perhaps? Less click too? Less market order requests to server if the pilot selected each item instead of clicking the information icon straight?

So, in terms of efficiency and functionality, the Cruise Launchers should be listed this way, in ascending order:

1. Cruise Missile Launcher I
2. 'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I
3. 'Limos' Cruise Launcher I
4. XT-9000 Cruise Launcher I
5. 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
6. Cruise Missile Launcher II

For some modules that I've previously compared, the Meta Level seems to correlate to the efficiency of the module as a whole. So in a sense, the higher Meta Level an item is, the more desirable it is. T2 requires more skill to operate than T1, but since their Meta Level is higher than the best named T1 module anyway, it fits into this sorting logic naturally.

This way, a player instinctively knows which tier of module he is looking for, without even knowing the name of the module beforehand. So, for a non-gun player like me, if one day I decide to go Hybrid, I can go into the market and pick the module above the T2 variant straight away without the need to verify whether is it the "best" named T1 module.

That said, I think the turrets could use some love to re-organize them into different sub-categories as well, since, for example, the Large Railguns have only 3 sizes: 350mm, 425mm and Dual 250mm. They are meant for different purposes as well, right? Larger calibers for long range, smaller calibers for shorter range. This would in practical sense have "categorized" themselves already, so why not put them into actual categories for easy sorting?

And, I think it should go from Short Range > Medium Range > Long Range to be aligned with the ascending sort order with the rest.

Thoughts

Honestly if I find something that is not on the market I just add it. It takes me less effort to add it than it would to create any kind of link. I just need to hunt down all the things not there.

Alphabetic order, vs 'strength' Except rockets aren't lighter than Light missile launchers. They're a different type of weapon. Ditto with cruises and Torps.

This is a good idea. If my other plan fails I shall look into that. I am trying to find the best way to find things not listed on the market. Easier said than done apparently.