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With CrimeWatch 2.0 do you think we'll see a "police force" build up?

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Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#41 - 2012-11-21 10:31:39 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
As soon as you make the purchase. He turns red right on the spot to everybody around him. Any player can legally shoot him that sees him red without getting concorded. Once you open fire he can return fire. Again without concord action.

Which is still the most ******** mechanic ever.
Why should I pay for a killright if that gets extended to EVERYBODY ELSE anyway?
It makes absolutely no sense.



This is the worst crimewatch feature. It's so bad that a simple facepalm will not do. Maybe facewall.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2012-11-21 11:07:35 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Ludi Burek wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
As soon as you make the purchase. He turns red right on the spot to everybody around him. Any player can legally shoot him that sees him red without getting concorded. Once you open fire he can return fire. Again without concord action.

Which is still the most ******** mechanic ever.
Why should I pay for a killright if that gets extended to EVERYBODY ELSE anyway?
It makes absolutely no sense.



This is the worst crimewatch feature. It's so bad that a simple facepalm will not do. Maybe facewall.

It's just so baffling to me how anybody could think this is a good feature.
Sure it will generate more PVP, but it makes absolutely no sense and it destroys the bounty hunting profession before it could even get its feet off the ground.

Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
Another question, if you buy the kill rights and you are alone with the target when he turns red, then a few new players warp in after say you are 1 minute into the fight, what happens? Do they get to join in? How then does the timer update for all the new arrivals? How much lag will this mechanic induce?

Or is the fight limited to just the players that were "on grid" when the kill right was purchased?

It's a global suspect flag. Anyone can warp in at any time in the 15 minutes since the killright is activated and shoot the target.
And this can be done indefinitely until the target's ship is destroyed.

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Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#43 - 2012-11-21 11:11:50 UTC
Not sure if police, but i'm pretty sure all major rival alliances will put humongous bounties on each other. And being allowed to shoot most of the major ones i'll be happy to retire my ratting ships and make my money doing fleet grunt work \o/

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CCP Falcon
#44 - 2012-11-21 11:29:37 UTC
Riddick Liddell wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:

I hope so.

I think it'd be awesome to see a player created and funded Police force Cool



Possible

CCP Falcon wrote:

I hope so.

I think it'd be awesome to see a player created and funded, effective Police force Cool



Never happen.
See Concord if you would like proof.


Who said anything about wanting them be effective? Big smile

I pirate for a living, it just means more targets and more fights! Lol

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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#45 - 2012-11-21 11:30:55 UTC
Labatts Magu wrote:
I was talking with my pal the other day about this very topic. With the ability to sell kill rights and all the other great changes CrimeWatch 2.0 brings, do you think we will see maybe an empire police force band together?

I personally know a few people that don't play EVE for the isk (I assume they are well funded as is) and are jumping at this very idea. It's pretty much beat downs in empire as they see it, sell them your kill right (assuming you lack the fight back) and watch as hungry "police" groups hunt down your foe and shed his tears for once.

Thoughts?


I really hope so. I already see people baitng such groups with juicy killrights....

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Herr Hammer Draken
#46 - 2012-11-21 11:43:43 UTC
Eugene Kerner wrote:
Labatts Magu wrote:
I was talking with my pal the other day about this very topic. With the ability to sell kill rights and all the other great changes CrimeWatch 2.0 brings, do you think we will see maybe an empire police force band together?

I personally know a few people that don't play EVE for the isk (I assume they are well funded as is) and are jumping at this very idea. It's pretty much beat downs in empire as they see it, sell them your kill right (assuming you lack the fight back) and watch as hungry "police" groups hunt down your foe and shed his tears for once.

Thoughts?


I really hope so. I already see people baitng such groups with juicy killrights....


You do understand from reading this thread that you can not sell kill rights to a specific person right.

When you sell a kill right it goes onto their ship where ever that ship happens to be at that time.

Then anyone that can right click on that ship can buy that kill right (if they have enough isk to buy it) right then on the spot.

I suppose you can time the sale of the kill right to the time when said player happens to be in range of your police group.

Not sure if when you execute the kill right for sale order it will apply to the target immediately. Timing may be tricky.

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Karig'Ano Keikira
Tax Cheaters
#47 - 2012-11-21 11:48:14 UTC
Sounds like it might generate quite a bit of pvp activity in high sec and that can only be good. Of course I have to see it in action to judge further.
oniplE
MeMento.
#48 - 2012-11-21 11:57:56 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Ludi Burek wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
As soon as you make the purchase. He turns red right on the spot to everybody around him. Any player can legally shoot him that sees him red without getting concorded. Once you open fire he can return fire. Again without concord action.

Which is still the most ******** mechanic ever.
Why should I pay for a killright if that gets extended to EVERYBODY ELSE anyway?
It makes absolutely no sense.



This is the worst crimewatch feature. It's so bad that a simple facepalm will not do. Maybe facewall.

It's just so baffling to me how anybody could think this is a good feature.
Sure it will generate more PVP, but it makes absolutely no sense and it destroys the bounty hunting profession before it could even get its feet off the ground.

You have a good point.
The problem is that kill rights work through a Suspect flag while they should work like a Limited Engagement (explained here ). So anyone that buys the kill rights has the right to attack the "victim", while he has the right to defend himself against anyone who has bought the kill rights.

That makes much more sense. The use of the Suspect flag for kill rights is a mistake.
Destiny Corrupted
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Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#49 - 2012-11-21 12:05:28 UTC
We've been telling that to CCP for ages, but since they didn't even acknowledge our concerns, it's obvious they're very adamant about making this feature fall in line with their expectations, not those of the players.

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Riddick Liddell
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2012-11-21 12:06:10 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Riddick Liddell wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:

I hope so.

I think it'd be awesome to see a player created and funded Police force Cool



Possible

CCP Falcon wrote:

I hope so.

I think it'd be awesome to see a player created and funded, effective Police force Cool



Never happen.
See Concord if you would like proof.


Who said anything about wanting them be effective? Big smile

I pirate for a living, it just means more targets and more fights! Lol



Or from the 'player police' perspective, it can't be allowed to work too well. You put yourself out ob business if you wipe out all the criminals in a month. I find in EVE it either ends up being one or the other though. It works too well or it doesn't work at all.

When EVE can figure out how to expand beyond black and white, I-Win and I-Fail, it will be a lot better off as a game.
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#51 - 2012-11-21 13:15:04 UTC
Unit CA108AF wrote:
Except for the whole, you know, not being able to kill in high sec anyway? Even if you get the kill rights, that just prevents your sec status from being hit if you engage in low sec. That doesn't mean you can magically pop anyone you want in high sec without Concord. You'll still get the Dokken if you shoot someone in highsec without when you aren't at war or they aren't flashy red.


Except you can soon "buy" killrights on people if someone who has the rights leases it to you.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#52 - 2012-11-21 13:23:55 UTC
Hazen Koraka wrote:
Unit CA108AF wrote:
Except for the whole, you know, not being able to kill in high sec anyway? Even if you get the kill rights, that just prevents your sec status from being hit if you engage in low sec. That doesn't mean you can magically pop anyone you want in high sec without Concord. You'll still get the Dokken if you shoot someone in highsec without when you aren't at war or they aren't flashy red.


Except you can soon "buy" killrights on people if someone who has the rights leases it to you.


She's sort of right actually. You can only obtain kill rights and kill the bear if said bear has podded you. If they haven't, you cannot buy kill rights, and you cannot hunt them.

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Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#53 - 2012-11-21 13:29:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Hazen Koraka
I'm trying to find the original devblog where it mentions being able to sell on killrights. I will edit this post when I find it.

Edit: Here you go:

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73446

Buying killrights.

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Herr Hammer Draken
#54 - 2012-11-21 13:51:55 UTC
Hazen Koraka wrote:
I'm trying to find the original devblog where it mentions being able to sell on killrights. I will edit this post when I find it.

Edit: Here you go:

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73446

Buying killrights.



The better question is did you read it?

Then if you did, do you understand how kill rights work?

Do you understand that you can not sell kill rights to a specific player?

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Wivabel
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2012-11-21 15:06:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Wivabel
Crimewatch 2.0 FTW

Weekend warrior lowsec roamers: No longer will you get killrights for killing ships in low sec only podding. So stop your whining this will not stop or penalize you for roaming low. Killrights will be awarded in high for any act against another player that spawns concord also known as a criminal act.

Gankers: Professional Gankers will not likely be effected by these changes simply because they are mostly all flashy anyway and can already be shot with current mechanics so no change here. Weekend warrior gankers may have to think twice.

Can flippers: Good ones will probobly have an easier time getting targets to engage. Who cares if all of eve can shoot you for 15 minutes when I am flipping cans I want people to try and shoot me. Only organized people will be any kind of a threat.

Carebears: If you engage any of the people above you will probobly die unless you have friends and are organized. Not much different from now except this actually creates a nich for a defacto police force. Players policing ourselves is way way better than our concord overlords.

Ninja looters may have more of a challenge the good ones are already really fast the rest may have a problem.

I for one welcome these changes with open arms. My highsec alt will fly around and bait players with his easily attainable buyable killrights or suspect flag. Loki boosted nano ships for the win. Gives the "police" 15 minutes to come get me. Easy kills should present themselves regularly. Who cares if all of eve can shoot at me when the majority of randoms in highsec are unorganized inexperienced PVPers. Should mean plenty of easy kills for me and the odd gf with the organized highsec pewers.

These changes are good and reward organized player behavior. This will provide consequences for any group of unorganized player/s trying to do any of the above. We should see more explosions come December 4th.


As far as the OPs question. Yes I see a police force buildup (or the corps who used to do it will come back) that will ultimately turn mercenary/criminal simply because PVP is often about getting the most targets/less time sitting waiting for something to shoot.

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AndromacheDarkstar
Integrated Insterstellar Holdings
#56 - 2012-11-21 16:35:15 UTC
Labatts Magu wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
If hisec people could be organized they would already be. What can happen is merc market finally going live but again, merc corps already exist so it will only be a boost to existing thing.

Also kill rights don't matter outside hisec so good luck with "police force" executing their "rights" anywhere else.


I think under the old (current as of today) system, empire players couldn't be organized without being in the same corp or else everyone would get concord all up on them. With the new system, groups of players can roam for suspect players and hunt them down.


I can forsee Faction Warfare style random people fleets forming from local chat and hunting targets which in my eyes would be fantastic and encourage exaclty the kind of high sec community i think would be incredibly healthy for the game.
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#57 - 2012-11-21 18:23:18 UTC
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
Hazen Koraka wrote:
I'm trying to find the original devblog where it mentions being able to sell on killrights. I will edit this post when I find it.

Edit: Here you go:

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73446

Buying killrights.



The better question is did you read it?

Then if you did, do you understand how kill rights work?

Do you understand that you can not sell kill rights to a specific player?



I'm gonna quote direct from the devblog. Please enlighten me.

"Kill rights are bought “on the spot” in space, i.e. if you select a player in space and that player has a kill right on him for sale, you can buy & activate (one action) it right then and there. This immediately puts a Suspect Flag on the target, thus allowing you and others in your vicinity to attack the target. If the target player is killed while under a Suspect flag, then the kill right is ‘spent’. If the target manages to escape and the Suspect flag timer (15 minutes) lapses, the kill right is still available to be purchased (activated) later on."

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#58 - 2012-11-21 19:29:51 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Riddick Liddell wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:

I hope so.

I think it'd be awesome to see a player created and funded Police force Cool



Possible

CCP Falcon wrote:

I hope so.

I think it'd be awesome to see a player created and funded, effective Police force Cool



Never happen.
See Concord if you would like proof.


Who said anything about wanting them be effective? Big smile

I pirate for a living, it just means more targets and more fights! Lol



Interesting.....

When looking at Battleclinic I see that Verone has zero kills since June, and you announced months ago that Veto was no more. So are you pirating with a different char, that no one ever knew about, and staying off mumble/TS/Vent so no one can recognize your voice from when you were a commentator of the Tourney?

Because, according to CCP rules, no one is supposed to know who your chars are.
Would really like to know how a pirate manages to avoid EVER talking on voice fleet chats, and NOT raising suspicion of his fleetmates.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#59 - 2012-11-21 19:47:24 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

I hope so.

I think it'd be awesome to see a player created and funded Police force Cool



It already exists. We call it the Ministry of Love.

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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
#60 - 2012-11-21 19:47:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Pohbis
Hazen Koraka wrote:
I'm gonna quote direct from the devblog. Please enlighten me.
You have no control over who buys the killright.

Once it's up for sale, the first guy to right-click and buy it, gets it.

Thus, you can not sell it to a specific player.

It's not about the guy you are selling killrights for being a specific one, it's about the guy who buys them being a specific guy.