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Pirating in 0.0

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Julie Martins
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-11-21 09:34:22 UTC
Hello,

I'm a relatively new player so my knowledge of the game is limited.

While reading the forum, I found a lot of posts of players asking CCP to find incentives for high sec players to go to low sec. It doesn't seems to work so I have a question for low sec pirates :

Why don't you guys go to 0.0. (As there are not post about it I assume there is no piratery in this part of space)

From my understanding, it has everything that you guys are asking :

more targets than low sec
no gate gun
Marvin Narville
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-11-21 09:39:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Marvin Narville
Julie Martins wrote:
Hello,

I'm a relatively new player so my knowledge of the game is limited.

While reading the forum, I found a lot of posts of players asking CCP to find incentives for high sec players to go to low sec. It doesn't seems to work so I have a question for low sec pirates :

Why don't you guys go to 0.0. (As there are not post about it I assume there is no piratery in this part of space)

From my understanding, it has everything that you guys are asking :

more targets than low sec
no gate gun


confirming that there is in fact absolutely no piratery occurring in nullsec. This does not rule out however the persistent rumors that Captain Jack Sparrow is in fact simply another alt of James 315, perhaps highsec is not as safe as it appears.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#3 - 2012-11-21 09:40:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Despite having a higher overall population, there are many less targets in 0.0. You can choose between bots that you can't catch, people in semi-pimped plex boats that you can't catch, or people looking for fights with capitals on standby. There is really no one to "pirate" there.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#4 - 2012-11-21 09:48:25 UTC
Fighting in 0.0 is for a large part pretty much warfare, not piracy due to sov mechanics. If you go to one area of it, the majority of people you run into will be from the same alliance. Low sec is the wild west, no sov, no cops, just gate and station guns to take into account, and plenty of people trying to strike out and make something with themselves. Perfect for piracy.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-11-21 09:51:41 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
people in semi-pimped plex boats that you can't catch

The killboards would suggest otherwise.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

dethleffs
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#6 - 2012-11-21 09:53:38 UTC
You assume we don't want gateguns, but we don't really care. We like losec because of it's game mechanics.

And most people going on about losec not having enough targets are carebears saying: "You all want us to go to losec just so you can shoot us, maybe that's why there aren't any people, you whining pirate!1!1"
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#7 - 2012-11-21 10:02:39 UTC
dethleffs wrote:
You assume we don't want gateguns, but we don't really care. We like losec because of it's game mechanics.

And most people going on about losec not having enough targets are carebears saying: "You all want us to go to losec just so you can shoot us, maybe that's why there aren't any people, you whining pirate!1!1"


Amen brother

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.

Julie Martins
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-11-21 10:04:06 UTC
So, you says that low sec mechanics are ok.

Should I assume that the "nerf high sec" post are troll posts?
dethleffs
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#9 - 2012-11-21 10:19:37 UTC
I'm saying that losec mechanics are different then null and that pirates like them. I didn't add any qualitative value to the mechanics themselves.
Some mechanics are broken, some are lame, some are good, some are just different. This goes for all sec states.
Riddick Liddell
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-11-21 10:23:40 UTC
dethleffs wrote:
I'm saying that losec mechanics are different then null and that pirates like them. I didn't add any qualitative value to the mechanics themselves.
Some mechanics are broken, some are lame, some are good, some are just different. This goes for all sec states.



Maybe I could start naming off some regions, systems and moons where the reactions POS webs are?

Even if you don't own any, I am sure you will come to appreciate the super cap blobs that will invade your systems to take them down.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#11 - 2012-11-21 10:26:23 UTC
Julie Martins wrote:


From my understanding, it has everything that you guys are asking :

more targets than low sec
no gate gun


Except nullsec is dangerous because the locals can actually shoot back. Well, most of them anyway. Your suggestion is like asking a local gang of thugs why they don't go and pick on professional soldiers instead of the old and stupid, and the answer is the same. Because they will lose. And no one likes to lose.
dethleffs
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#12 - 2012-11-21 10:34:56 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Julie Martins wrote:


From my understanding, it has everything that you guys are asking :

more targets than low sec
no gate gun


Except nullsec is dangerous because the locals can actually shoot back. Well, most of them anyway. Your suggestion is like asking a local gang of thugs why they don't go and pick on professional soldiers instead of the old and stupid, and the answer is the same. Because they will lose. And no one likes to lose.


Contrary to popular belief, pirates do like people who shoot back.

That is not to say we don't like ganks.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-11-21 10:39:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Il Feytid
Just join the Deklein Coalition and enjoy an ocean of blues and pirate high sec. Pirate
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#14 - 2012-11-21 10:43:23 UTC
Yep, null is full of soldiers and we are just mere thugs. Tell me more about true warfare.

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Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#15 - 2012-11-21 10:51:40 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Just join the Deklein Coalition and enjoy and ocean of blues and pirate high sec. Pirate


Good thing you guys got rid of Morsus Mihi and that evil NC.
They would have destroyed the North and EVE along with it.

R.I.P. Vile Rat

Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#16 - 2012-11-21 10:56:26 UTC
This expansion NPC aggression will affect your logout timer. as it is right now only pvp aggression results in a 15 minute logout timer if you DC/quit but when this expansion goes live that will also be the case for PVE aggression. So you'll see a lot more bots/grindbear deaths in 0.0 because of it, this will make "piracy" in 0.0 a lot easier (and it allows us the playerbase to actually act against bots, to a degree at least).
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#17 - 2012-11-21 10:57:22 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Just join the Deklein Coalition and enjoy and ocean of blues and pirate high sec. Pirate


Join NorthernCoalitionDotte and enjoy a list of blues before you annoy them all and they abandon you and your space you hold (which you can then claim you never wanted anyway!).



To OP:

Low Sec is like the East End of London. Sure in theory it's all owned by the UK and answers to UK Law, but in some parts of it you need to be more worried about the local gangs than the law. Those gangs vary in level of organisation but ultimately aren't in control, they are easy to avoid by simply not going there.

Null Sec is more like a lot of war torn African or South American countries, various forms of warlords rule over their region of space with relative safety for everyone who is their explicit ally and death for anyone else who pokes their head in.

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#18 - 2012-11-21 11:02:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
people in semi-pimped plex boats that you can't catch

The killboards would suggest otherwise.

Okay, well, we both know I was making a generalization, but the generalization is pretty accurate. Sure, you can get nice kills in null, like you can anywhere else. The key lies in efficiency. It might take me two weeks to do in null what it takes me a day to do in low, or an hour to do in high. For every video of catching a plex Tengu your favorite YouTube hardman uploads, there's hours upon hours of dozens, even hundreds of attempts to accomplish the task of making a successful catch. Meanwhile, in empire, all one has to do is flip a couple of cans.

Vilnius Zar wrote:
This expansion NPC aggression will affect your logout timer. as it is right now only pvp aggression results in a 15 minute logout timer if you DC/quit but when this expansion goes live that will also be the case for PVE aggression. So you'll see a lot more bots/grindbear deaths in 0.0 because of it, this will make "piracy" in 0.0 a lot easier (and it allows us the playerbase to actually act against bots, to a degree at least).

There are two easy ways for botters to escape this new change:

1. By using a POS.
2. By warping to a safe and cloaking, instead of logging off. Or maybe logging off later. If cloaking isn't an option, then just make enough safespots to make probing impossible. A battleship warps relatively slow, and bouncing between safespots can take over a minute, so you don't actually need that many. Then just log off.

Bots gonna bot, bro. Also, we might actually see MORE bots now, because botters might lose extra time due to visitors not leaving right away (right now, they just log off, and visitors don't have a reason to stay at all), so they'll want to compensate for lost profits. Another great way to get more alt account subs.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Sriracha Nighthawk
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-11-21 11:05:33 UTC
I think I've been staring at your profile pic for a bit too long...

boobs. lolololol

"Kind of like the Caldari version of Adama I guess." -Kairavi Mrithyakara

TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-11-21 11:22:05 UTC
High sec and Low sec have rules and are governed by Concorde so piracy is possible.

0.0 has rules set by the alliances and is governed by them.

So, although you don't see people in 0.0 complaining about piracy on the eve forums I can guarantee that the alliances that aren't great\renter corps have posts on their forums along the lines of "there are too many reds around, waaaa"
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