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How to avoid being hunted/ganked

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William Voxx
Da Loops
#21 - 2012-11-18 22:27:08 UTC
Thanks for all the advice guys!!!
Bam Stroker
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#22 - 2012-11-19 02:11:29 UTC
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15222470

You had two stabs, not three. Two will defeat most solo tacklers but isn't enough to get away from a faction scrambler. If you'd had a third stab in that final low slot you'd probably have been able to get away. Some tank in your rig slots would also be a good idea to increase your chances of surviving his blasters long enough to align and warp out.

I can't find more than that one kill, though. Are you exaggerating or was it your alt he was popping on the other occasions?

Also you said this guy declared war on you, but he's not a solo pirate or even a small corp - he's in a 300+ man corp that's part of -A-. Was a formal wardec actually declared or do you just mean he's "at war" with you in a figurative sense because he keeps chasing you? Either way all you need to do to be safe from this guy is go to hisec since his security rating is terrible (-9.2).

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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#23 - 2012-11-19 02:11:34 UTC
Keno Skir wrote:
1 man corps dont care about dec shield 9 times out of 10. Easy to make a new 1 man corp..



Easy to make another one man corp with no more war dec against the guys you paid to kill? I'm fairly certain they care about that. Even if it's no big deal to the aggressor the defender sheds a war dec and leaves the dude with a giant sore blue sack...mission accomplished.
Jan Deltord
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-11-19 04:26:56 UTC
Bam Stroker wrote:


Also you said this guy declared war on you, but he's not a solo pirate or even a small corp - he's in a 300+ man corp that's part of -A-. Was a formal wardec actually declared or do you just mean he's "at war" with you in a figurative sense because he keeps chasing you? Either way all you need to do to be safe from this guy is go to hisec since his security rating is terrible (-9.2).


If he's part of -A-, your other option is to find people who hate -A- and see if you can help them trap him.

It isnt a short list of people who hate -A- by the way.
Tialano Utrigas
Running with Dogs
Northern Coalition.
#25 - 2012-11-19 13:39:54 UTC
Looks to me like you were mining in low sec (always a bad idea) and got hit. This has nothing to do with a war dec and its unlikely that -A- would bother war deccing your noob corp.

Once they've been kicked back to high sec they might though...
Doddy
Excidium.
#26 - 2012-11-20 12:36:03 UTC
Add him to contacts so you know when he logs in.
Run locator agents so you know where he is.
Stay together and fly in pvp ships,especially ewar.

If he really is one guy in a t3 then you should have no problems camping him into station with 4 or 5 guys in bcs/ewar cruisers.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-11-20 13:12:14 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Bam Stroker wrote:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15222470

You had two stabs, not three. Two will defeat most solo tacklers but isn't enough to get away from a faction scrambler. If you'd had a third stab in that final low slot you'd probably have been able to get away. Some tank in your rig slots would also be a good idea to increase your chances of surviving his blasters long enough to align and warp out.

I can't find more than that one kill, though. Are you exaggerating or was it your alt he was popping on the other occasions?

Also you said this guy declared war on you, but he's not a solo pirate or even a small corp - he's in a 300+ man corp that's part of -A-. Was a formal wardec actually declared or do you just mean he's "at war" with you in a figurative sense because he keeps chasing you? Either way all you need to do to be safe from this guy is go to hisec since his security rating is terrible (-9.2).


Confirming...

You were in low-sec.

This has NOTHING to do with a war-dec or something, just being in the wrong place, at the wrong time, in the wrong ship.

Low-sec doesn't have CONCORD, only gate/station guns, if you venture out of the reach of those, be prepared to fight others.

Also, not very likely that -A- would wardec your corporation, as a wardec will hurt their logistical abilities to ship stuff in and out of high-sec more then it would hurt you guys.

EDIT:

Looked up your corp's war history in game, you were never at war with the guy who killed you.

He killed you cause you were mining in low-sec which means you made yourself an easy prey target for those who don't care about their security status.

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TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-11-20 14:25:56 UTC  |  Edited by: TheBlueMonkey
Get all your corpies to get in dps\remote rep\ecm ships and get them into a system, at a belt and then have them log out.

Get one member of the corp to sit in that belt in a mining ship that's tanked as much as you can, has a scram and has neuts in the high slots (with 1 miner).

wait

When scumbag McEasykills finds you and agresses you have all your buddies log in, at the same time lock him and scram him, drop ECM drones on him and prey they work long enough for your buddies to turn up. Neut the hell out of him if he's in range and prey.

When your buddies get in, everyone target the guy, launch all the drones and pound him until explosions.

Chances are he'll have some tardofit office mods on his ship so you stand a chance of scooping something juicy.

Also, voice coms, for cheap cheap voice coms just use steam.

That sounds like a half decent plan to me, although I'm terrible at eve and should mostly be ignored.

Oh and when you're doing this, if anyone fits a warp core stab, kick them from corp.

I should probably shamelessly plug my corp but egh
Aptenodytes
Reckless Abandon
#29 - 2012-11-20 14:36:05 UTC
If he is definitely picking on you guys then you should team up and kill him. If he always flies the same ship then it's easy, and a few tier 1 BC's can do it easy. First you'll need a hardened bait ship, say a Ferox or Maller fitted with mining lasers (to look the part), a good tank set up to tank the damage type that he uses (thermal and kinetic judging from the kill mail), and some tackle to hold him down (scrambler and webifier, and a MWD so you can stay near him). Then have your buddies standing by in the next system, ready to jump in and save you. They can fit tackle also (in case you die), a lot of DPS, neuts, and racial ECM. That way you can quite easily stop him running away, stop him shooting at you, and kill him. Take him down hard with overwhelming odds, and show no mercy. Even if you or a couple of your mates die, as long as he goes down, his loss will be wayyy more than yours. Oh and since there is no official war dec, remember that if your mates shoot him without being shot at themselves, they will lose sec status too. And if you pod him too, you will lose a lot of sec.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#30 - 2012-11-21 04:26:32 UTC
William Voxx wrote:
1: How did he find me?


1 guy can have up to 3 toons. How well do you know you corpmates?

However, it is in the general "new corp advice" thread that when you are wardecced the first thing you do is open at least one other office on the other side of the map and move all your operations there. Do not move your HQ there. Make sure your HQ is as far away from you as possible. This is because anyone looking up your corp can see where their HQ is. They cannot see where all your offices are, however, unless the manually visit each and every station in the game and look for them in person. While it is certainly is possible that they can find your secondary offices, it can be made improbable.

William Voxx wrote:
2: How can i prevent this from happening, i have 3 warp stabs and he can still prevent me from warping, i know i should keep an eye on local chat, any other suggestions?


Then he's using all his mid-slots on warp scramblers, which leaves his shields weak. As others said, gang up on him. T1 battlecruisers? Drakes and Myrmidons are T1 battlecruisers, my friend, and they're nothing to be sneezed at.

EvE, unlike every other MMO in the world, isn't a place where a single top-level character can wade through a horde of noobies without a scratch. I assure you, if you put 500 week old players in light cruisers up against a Titan then the Titan would probably lose. And again, as others have said, ECM is murder on solo PvP. Get two people in something as simple as Griffins to lock him down and then everyone else can use him for a pinata.

William Voxx wrote:
3: I can't seem to do anything without him showing up to kill me, and i'm hemorrhaging ISK so should i just leave the corp?


If all of the above fails, you can reform the corp under a new name, or join a really big alliance, or whatever. Every time he wardecs you it will cost him money. The downside is, however, that I've seen this particular type of player before and I can assure you that he's got deep pockets. You are probably not dealing with his main, either. His main will probably be with some giant alliance with limitless funds and he's using them to feed his little ganker project on the side. Or he's selling meth to schoolkids to sell stupid amounts of PLEX on the market.

So the bad news is there really isn't anything you can do to shut him down as a player. Worst case scenario, in fact, is that you kick his butt enough times to aggravate him enough to bring is main into the scene (along with all of that toon's assets & friends). Your best bet, then, is to make it not worth his time. Avoid him when you can and confront him only when you have to. The goal is bore him into submission so that he'll go find someone else to try to bully around instead.

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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-11-21 04:54:05 UTC
Fly a blackbird. Jam him. Watch as he cries.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-11-21 08:42:46 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
William Voxx wrote:
1: How did he find me?


1 guy can have up to 3 toons. How well do you know you corpmates?

However, it is in the general "new corp advice" thread that when you are wardecced the first thing you do is open at least one other office on the other side of the map and move all your operations there. Do not move your HQ there. Make sure your HQ is as far away from you as possible. This is because anyone looking up your corp can see where their HQ is. They cannot see where all your offices are, however, unless the manually visit each and every station in the game and look for them in person. While it is certainly is possible that they can find your secondary offices, it can be made improbable.

William Voxx wrote:
2: How can i prevent this from happening, i have 3 warp stabs and he can still prevent me from warping, i know i should keep an eye on local chat, any other suggestions?


Then he's using all his mid-slots on warp scramblers, which leaves his shields weak. As others said, gang up on him. T1 battlecruisers? Drakes and Myrmidons are T1 battlecruisers, my friend, and they're nothing to be sneezed at.

EvE, unlike every other MMO in the world, isn't a place where a single top-level character can wade through a horde of noobies without a scratch. I assure you, if you put 500 week old players in light cruisers up against a Titan then the Titan would probably lose. And again, as others have said, ECM is murder on solo PvP. Get two people in something as simple as Griffins to lock him down and then everyone else can use him for a pinata.

William Voxx wrote:
3: I can't seem to do anything without him showing up to kill me, and i'm hemorrhaging ISK so should i just leave the corp?


If all of the above fails, you can reform the corp under a new name, or join a really big alliance, or whatever. Every time he wardecs you it will cost him money. The downside is, however, that I've seen this particular type of player before and I can assure you that he's got deep pockets. You are probably not dealing with his main, either. His main will probably be with some giant alliance with limitless funds and he's using them to feed his little ganker project on the side. Or he's selling meth to schoolkids to sell stupid amounts of PLEX on the market.

So the bad news is there really isn't anything you can do to shut him down as a player. Worst case scenario, in fact, is that you kick his butt enough times to aggravate him enough to bring is main into the scene (along with all of that toon's assets & friends). Your best bet, then, is to make it not worth his time. Avoid him when you can and confront him only when you have to. The goal is bore him into submission so that he'll go find someone else to try to bully around instead.



Great post. Though 2 small things to add.

On your reply to point 1, yes very very valid.

Though the most likely reason he finds you is:

1.) He uses locator agents (I for example have 3 characters (alts) that are sitting on their locator, if I really need to find someone I log them in for about 10min to find him).

2.) In corp spy which can work in 3 ways to find where you are.

The easiest way, gain trust and just ask.
The second, gain even more trust and be a director (directors can see where every member is and what ship they are flying). The third and last one (which is also very easy) is the in game map. It has a function to show which systems have corp members in space (aka those who are mining / mission running / etc.), and say you corp is based in Caldari space near Jita and 1 single system in Amarr space pops up as having someone in space there, good chance he is there to evade the wardec and he will visit you there.

As for your second point.

Any fleet of smaller ships will kill a titan, cause of the capital guns on the titan and the Doomsday being absolutely useless to sub-caps. Not the best example, but still very very true.

More skillpoints are no guarantee you are better.
Bigger isn't always better.
Strength through numbers can be the key.

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Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#33 - 2012-11-21 09:25:52 UTC
Fight back. If you don't know how, ask for advice on how to.

Don't run, you'll always be hunted.
Turn around, and show the will to fight.

Whomever wants it the most, wins. It's all about escalation.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-11-21 09:50:37 UTC
Archdaimon wrote:
Fight back. If you don't know how, ask for advice on how to.

Don't run, you'll always be hunted.
Turn around, and show the will to fight.

Whomever wants it the most, wins. It's all about escalation.


Well....This.

Stop being the prey and become the hunter.

Most griefers stick to those who won't fight back.

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Disastro
Wrecking Shots
#35 - 2012-11-21 12:47:09 UTC
Having been part of the high sec war decking and griefing scene for a long time in eve i can tell you that the answers given to you here are accurate to a degree but in general wont really solve your problem. Fighting back is exactly what the griefer wants you to do. So he can get more kills from you and your friends. He knows that you are inexperienced. And he knows that you wont understand game mechanics. And he will almost certainly have out of corp friends in logistics ships there waiting to remote repair him when you and your friends do attempt to engage him.

And then he will **** your face.

The best way to solve a high sec war deck problem? Is to bore him to death. Watch local. If you see his character in local then go to station and sit idle or log out. Take a vacation for the week. Give him no kills. Make sure your friends do the same. No kills = boredom = him going elsewhere to war deck some other noobs.
Staleward Ad'mraa
F-I-N-K PROPERTY
#36 - 2012-11-21 18:05:21 UTC
Hell just warp scrambling him and webbing this person will play to a large advantage for smaller ships, adding an targeting disruptor also helps as well in large fleet of smaller ships. Swarm the bastard with tons of frigates designed to lock him down. Not only will he be able to warp out, he won't be able target, and his speed is drastically reduced. If you can gather a fleet of 8 people, with one as bait, you can definitely make his life a living hell by turning the tables. He will lose a very expensive ship, you guys will gain some isk from your lose, he will be crying hard. Majority of the times in Null Sec, we use tier 1 modules and smaller ships to really screw up a person's day, focusing on one person at a time. This in-turn increases our isk payout and reduces our isk loss. It doesn't take much SP to make a well shaped smaller frigate or destroyer designed to stop guys like him.

Flying the same ship makes him extremely vulnerable to certain damage types. Find out which damage strongest against his shield, use two people to take out his shields. Then find out his weakness against his armor, then two people for taking down his armor. Now it is time to use the ammo that is strongest against his hull, then hammer it home with him being destroyed. If you really want to send a message, warp scram his POD and then destroy it, he probably has implants that could pay for the losses.

Every time this guy tries this, keep doing this over and over, till he gets the hint he won't win. A fleet of smaller ships will always win out over a larger solo ship.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-11-22 00:08:41 UTC
Join Dec Shield.

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Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#38 - 2012-11-22 01:38:07 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Join Dec Shield.


Which is only going to last, what, up to 13 days from now?

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-11-22 02:53:07 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Join Dec Shield.


Which is only going to last, what, up to 13 days from now?


That's 13 days where he probably won't log on.

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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#40 - 2012-11-22 13:58:48 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Join Dec Shield.


Which is only going to last, what, up to 13 days from now?



I only skimmed those changes but all it removes is the mutual trapping part. It'll still let you shed a war dec to people who want free targets in high sec....I think that's right?
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