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Call For Discussion : CSM Voting Reform

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Frying Doom
#941 - 2012-11-21 07:50:15 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
I have.

But strange how every time closing this loop hole comes up people from the same group constantly shout it down.

Even without stats your own actions prove that change is needed.


Snow Axe wrote:
Cite the actual numbers of new voting accounts or shut the **** up..


As I said before, I have in multiple threads go look them up or better yet as it is supposedly not a problem stop arguing about this loop hole being closed.

For something that does not occur and is no problem, it gets a lot of defense when anyone wants to alter the system to prevent it.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#942 - 2012-11-21 07:54:20 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
As I said before, I have in multiple threads go look them up or better yet as it is supposedly not a problem stop arguing about this loop hole being closed.

For something that does not occur and is no problem, it gets a lot of defense when anyone wants to alter the system to prevent it.


Snow Axe wrote:
Cite the actual numbers of new voting accounts or shut the **** up..

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Frying Doom
#943 - 2012-11-21 07:59:20 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
As I said before, I have in multiple threads go look them up or better yet as it is supposedly not a problem stop arguing about this loop hole being closed.

For something that does not occur and is no problem, it gets a lot of defense when anyone wants to alter the system to prevent it.


Snow Axe wrote:
Cite the actual numbers of new voting accounts or shut the **** up..

How about you dig up the numbers and disprove my claims..Oh you can't

so to quote you "shut the **** up"

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#944 - 2012-11-21 08:04:37 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
How about you dig up the numbers and disprove my claims..Oh you can't

so to quote you "shut the **** up"


Snow Axe wrote:
Cite the actual numbers of new voting accounts or shut the **** up..

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Frying Doom
#945 - 2012-11-21 08:06:25 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
How about you dig up the numbers and disprove my claims..Oh you can't

so to quote you "shut the **** up"


Snow Axe wrote:
Cite the actual numbers of new voting accounts or shut the **** up..

Yes keep going the more you fight the change the more it looks like it is needed, if your actions don't show guilt, I don't know what does.

Covering up are we lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#946 - 2012-11-21 08:06:46 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Yes keep going the more you fight the change the more it looks like it is needed, if your actions don't show guilt, I don't know what does.

Covering up are we lol


Snow Axe wrote:
Cite the actual numbers of new voting accounts or shut the **** up..

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Frying Doom
#947 - 2012-11-21 08:08:56 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Yes keep going the more you fight the change the more it looks like it is needed, if your actions don't show guilt, I don't know what does.

Covering up are we lol


Snow Axe wrote:
Cite the actual numbers of new voting accounts or shut the **** up..

Prove me wrong or shut the **** up

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#948 - 2012-11-21 08:09:30 UTC
I'm going to just assume that unless Frying Doom brings some actual, specific, numbers to the table and tells us exactly what it is he sees in them, that he's trying to say that I, personally, paid for each and every vote Mittens got, and that this is "the problem" of which he speaks.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#949 - 2012-11-21 08:10:51 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Prove me wrong or shut the **** up



Snow Axe wrote:
Cite the actual numbers of new voting accounts (aka prove yourself right) or shut the **** up..

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Frying Doom
#950 - 2012-11-21 08:11:25 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
I'm going to just assume that unless Frying Doom brings some actual, specific, numbers to the table and tells us exactly what it is he sees in them, that he's trying to say that I, personally, paid for each and every vote Mittens got, and that this is "the problem" of which he speaks.

Yes you paid.

But how many times that you paid, where only paid for that month, or 21 days/14 days and a plex?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#951 - 2012-11-21 08:11:43 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Prove me wrong or shut the **** up



Snow Axe wrote:
Cite the actual numbers of new voting accounts (aka prove yourself right) or shut the **** up..

Prove me wrong or shut the **** up

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#952 - 2012-11-21 08:12:59 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Prove me wrong or shut the **** up


That's now how this works. You made a claim, it's on you to prove it. This should really be easy since, as you've said, you posted the data in other places apparently. Go find it and repost it!

Until then

Snow Axe wrote:
Cite the actual numbers of new voting accounts (aka prove yourself right) or shut the **** up..

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#953 - 2012-11-21 08:15:16 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
I'm going to just assume that unless Frying Doom brings some actual, specific, numbers to the table and tells us exactly what it is he sees in them, that he's trying to say that I, personally, paid for each and every vote Mittens got, and that this is "the problem" of which he speaks.

Yes you paid.

But how many times that you paid, where only paid for that month, or 21 days/14 days and a plex?

So you're saying I paid CCP 300k USD just to try to get mittens to win?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Frying Doom
#954 - 2012-11-21 08:16:48 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Prove me wrong or shut the **** up


That's now how this works. You made a claim, it's on you to prove it. This should really be easy since, as you've said, you posted the data in other places apparently. Go find it and repost it!

Until then

Snow Axe wrote:
Cite the actual numbers of new voting accounts (aka prove yourself right) or shut the **** up..

Or I could just change the premise which is

With people fighting so hard to prevent people discussing the loop hole in voting, it really needs to be removed by making only accounts active for 3 or more continuous months at time of voting are eligible to vote.

As the amount of opposition it receives is obviously an indication that something while legal under the current system but unethical is occurring.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#955 - 2012-11-21 08:17:41 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
I'm going to just assume that unless Frying Doom brings some actual, specific, numbers to the table and tells us exactly what it is he sees in them, that he's trying to say that I, personally, paid for each and every vote Mittens got, and that this is "the problem" of which he speaks.

Yes you paid.

But how many times that you paid, where only paid for that month, or 21 days/14 days and a plex?

So you're saying I paid CCP 300k USD just to try to get mittens to win?

Sorry did I say for all his votes, No

Next.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#956 - 2012-11-21 08:18:02 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Or I could just change the premise which is

With people fighting so hard to prevent people discussing the loop hole in voting, it really needs to be removed by making only accounts active for 3 or more continuous months at time of voting are eligible to vote.

As the amount of opposition it receives is obviously an indication that something while legal under the current system but unethical is occurring.


You have to prove that (a) a loophole exists and (b) it's being exploited before you can make this claim. Lucky for you, there's one way to do that!

Snow Axe wrote:
Cite the actual numbers of new voting accounts (aka prove yourself right) or shut the **** up..

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Frying Doom
#957 - 2012-11-21 08:30:22 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Or I could just change the premise which is

With people fighting so hard to prevent people discussing the loop hole in voting, it really needs to be removed by making only accounts active for 3 or more continuous months at time of voting are eligible to vote.

As the amount of opposition it receives is obviously an indication that something while legal under the current system but unethical is occurring.


You have to prove that (a) a loophole exists and (b) it's being exploited before you can make this claim. Lucky for you, there's one way to do that!

Yes there is look, look at the amount of action taken to prevent this type of behavior occurring and that will pretty much tell you how big the loop hole is.

For example if Goonswarm wanted to seal up the next election, thanks to the tech welfare system your accounts stand at around 1.5 trillion.

So if you where to save from now to the elections you would have sufficient funds to cover all ongoing actions and still pay for 2500 votes enough to elect 2 people to the CSM without your active members even voting.

I am not saying you would do this or any more than a few thousand were done in total but it is a loop hole and it needs to be made harder but of course you disagree. For what reason I wonder, if not to protect this loop hole?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#958 - 2012-11-21 08:31:13 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
I'm going to just assume that unless Frying Doom brings some actual, specific, numbers to the table and tells us exactly what it is he sees in them, that he's trying to say that I, personally, paid for each and every vote Mittens got, and that this is "the problem" of which he speaks.

Yes you paid.

But how many times that you paid, where only paid for that month, or 21 days/14 days and a plex?

So you're saying I paid CCP 300k USD just to try to get mittens to win?

Sorry did I say for all his votes, No

Next.

So just exactly what are you accusing me of, then?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Frying Doom
#959 - 2012-11-21 08:32:33 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
I'm going to just assume that unless Frying Doom brings some actual, specific, numbers to the table and tells us exactly what it is he sees in them, that he's trying to say that I, personally, paid for each and every vote Mittens got, and that this is "the problem" of which he speaks.

Yes you paid.

But how many times that you paid, where only paid for that month, or 21 days/14 days and a plex?

So you're saying I paid CCP 300k USD just to try to get mittens to win?

Sorry did I say for all his votes, No

Next.

So just exactly what are you accusing me of, then?

Did I accuse you of anything? Nothing other than protecting a loophole that needs to be closed to make the elections a fairer place.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#960 - 2012-11-21 08:33:13 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Yes there is look, look at the amount of action taken to prevent this type of behavior occurring and that will pretty much tell you how big the loop hole is.

For example if Goonswarm wanted to seal up the next election, thanks to the tech welfare system your accounts stand at around 1.5 trillion.

So if you where to save from now to the elections you would have sufficient funds to cover all ongoing actions and still pay for 2500 votes enough to elect 2 people to the CSM without your active members even voting.

I am not saying you would do this or any more than a few thousand were done in total but it is a loop hole and it needs to be made harder but of course you disagree. For what reason I wonder, if not to protect this loop hole?


Dammit, I thought we were making progress. Oh well.

Snow Axe wrote:
Cite the actual numbers of new voting accounts (aka prove yourself right) or shut the **** up..

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["