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Dev Blog: Inventory Improvements

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Irregessa
Obfuscation and Reflections
#101 - 2012-11-20 20:39:55 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Irregessa wrote:
:sigh:

I was the one that opened the FanFest roundtable bringing up issues about how the colorblind see things. Looking through the blog, I came to the 'limited access' vs. 'no access' icons for hangars. I can barely tell the difference between the yellow and red being used.

I will ask again what I said at that round table: Please use a different symbol. Maybe use an X in the circle for the 'no access'. It isn't like we are trying to see something that is encircled and crossed by the icon, like you would on a road sign to tell you what is prohibited. Relying on color alone to distinguish states is incredibly frustrating to me in the rest of my life (I work support for an equipment manufacturer who unfortunately uses 'amber' and 'red' for the same LED to distinguish states. I have to get a co-worker to look at them to see what they are for me). I really don't need it in a game.

Thank you.

How about a yellow triangle and a red octagon? Like yield and stop signs.

Irregessa: For your LED issue, could you get a red filter? You hold it in front the LED. If it gets just a little dimmer, its red. If it gets alot dimmer, its yellow. If you taped in front of the LED so the LED was half covered you could tell by the brightness difference between the covered and uncovered halves what the color is at any time.


I'll have to try that, thanks :)
ReK42
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#102 - 2012-11-20 20:52:00 UTC
Looks great. A couple of suggestions:

Add the Ctrl-C shortcut. It shouldn't actually copy of course but a lot of people use it by habit, add it as an alternate to Ctrl-X.

When singling out a tree, can you force multiple trees into one window? IE: in a carrier can I have one window with my cargo and fuel, one window with my CHA+SMA and have any POS modules or wrecks open in a new window?

One other thing I've suggested in the past: when viewing the contents of a POS module, have a button to online/offline the structure, similar to the loot all button on wrecks. This would really smooth out the workflow for a lot of POS related stuff like silos.
Olga Ivanovna
Doomheim
#103 - 2012-11-20 21:08:29 UTC
Finally something happens in this area! Thank you!!
Shepard Book
Underground Stargate
#104 - 2012-11-20 21:11:19 UTC
Looks good to me!
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#105 - 2012-11-20 21:23:48 UTC
Irregessa wrote:
:sigh:

I was the one that opened the FanFest roundtable bringing up issues about how the colorblind see things. Looking through the blog, I came to the 'limited access' vs. 'no access' icons for hangars. I can barely tell the difference between the yellow and red being used.

I will ask again what I said at that round table: Please use a different symbol. Maybe use an X in the circle for the 'no access'. It isn't like we are trying to see something that is encircled and crossed by the icon, like you would on a road sign to tell you what is prohibited. Relying on color alone to distinguish states is incredibly frustrating to me in the rest of my life (I work support for an equipment manufacturer who unfortunately uses 'amber' and 'red' for the same LED to distinguish states. I have to get a co-worker to look at them to see what they are for me). I really don't need it in a game.

Thank you.


Yellow circle and red X like for skills and certs :D

Sounds like the perfect solution

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CCP Arrow
C C P
C C P Alliance
#106 - 2012-11-20 21:38:26 UTC
Shovi Chen-Shi wrote:
I would greatly appreciate it if you could do this to the info windows as well. Would be nice to be able to navigate between the info windows on various items without having to move the cursor over those tiny things and try to click click them. ( As far as i am aware we can't do that, feel free to prove me wrong and educate me if we can.)

Ahh it so happens that if you choose to use the Back and Forward keybindings on your mouse (which is customizable in the Esc Menu) it will in fact work for other Back and Forward buttons in EVE, in the Show info windows for example Big smile

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CCP Arrow
C C P
C C P Alliance
#107 - 2012-11-20 21:42:26 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Arrow
Styth spiting wrote:
Any chance of enabling/disabling the auto open option when dragging items to a container in the tree view or setting a longer duration? Or what about once you wait the 5 second time every container you mouse over opens instantly after the first? I find that most of the time when this feature happens it was unintentional, and the only options are to drag back the items to their original container, drag them off the screen because the original container is not displayed, or wait though 45 seconds of checking each additional container to find the one I was looking for. I could deal with it if I didn't need to wait an additional 5 seconds per container after the first one.

So yeah, enable/disable, or set wait time, or after the first 5 seconds any additional moused over containers display the contents without a 5 second wait.


This is no longer the case in Retribution. Hovering tabs while dragging items does not change the selected inventory, it does however allow you to expand collapsed tabs so that you can drag items into a sub-category and you will be able to drag to the lower or top edges to scroll the Index tree while dragging the items to their destination

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CCP Arrow
C C P
C C P Alliance
#108 - 2012-11-20 21:48:39 UTC
Fire Stone wrote:
I may have missed this but was the issue resolved where you have 3 windows open in a station

1) corp hanger
2) item hanger
3) ship cargo

Un-dock and you get 2 windows open showing your ships cargo?

This will result in you only having one window open, Ship cargo (3) since that goes with you when you undock.
When you dock again in any station, the item hangar (2) will appear again as you left it
and when you dock again in the same station with the office you left the Corp hangar (1) open in, that will welcome you exactly as you left it.

  • All windows that show something in your active ship will persist between undock/dock.
  • Item hangar and Ship hangar will persist in all stations globally, how you left them once you dock again.
  • Corporate hangars will persist how you left them when you dock again in each office individually.

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Maximus Andendare
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#109 - 2012-11-20 22:15:05 UTC
CCP Arrow wrote:
Salpun wrote:
Fleet hangers where is the update on fleet hangersBig smile


That feature will get it's very own blog Smile

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Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
#110 - 2012-11-20 23:06:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Haifisch Zahne
uuuuhhh, thank you?! (I can't believe I am hearing myself say that, twice now for this upcoming release.)

Can it be true? I can drag beyond the borders of the displayed Inventory Index Tree, and it will scroll automagically? Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy!

I am not quite clear whether Persistence is now for *each* station individually or the same for *all* stations globally (i.e. "One Size to rule them all, One Size to find them, One Size to bring them all and in the darkness bind them")? *mumbles incantations to all good and true for the former, knowing in his heart it is the latter*
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#111 - 2012-11-21 00:17:25 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Mmm updates to that window is always good...

And reading about the amazing client performance you get in Retribution, any chance at all that you could apply that change to the mail client as well - so that one actually can read (and find) mails older than a month?

Keep up the good work!

/c


One issue there is that they've lowered the total number of messages that you can have to 1500 (down from 3000, at least we think that's the old limit).

So, if you have a lot of messages in your Trash folder. Empty it and then use the Reset Settings (in the Escape menu) and clear your mail cache (and possibly relog). Then your older messages will show back up again.

The limit really sucks for those of us who subscribe to large volume mailing lists. Or who are in a busy alliance and need to keep 1500+ messages at our fingertips.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#112 - 2012-11-21 00:19:40 UTC
+1 for returning Alt-C to its old purpose of opening up the Ship's cargo.

On my current setup, I have Alt-G set to open the hangar floor, Alt-C for the cargo (like $DIETY intended), and Alt-N for the ship hangar.

Not sure what other keystrokes are available, but Alt-I is a common one for "inventory" in other games.
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
#113 - 2012-11-21 00:31:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Niko Lorenzio
Excellent, I am glad you guys finally found the time to address these very serious, critical and extremely annoying issues. I commend you for not abandoning the project after the hot fixes applied during summer patches.
I go through moments with the UI of hating it at times and loving it other times. Hopefully after Retribution it will be all (or mostly) love.

Couple of things that I didn't see in the blog that I wish were addressed:
* I am unable to get rid of the habit of double clicking on ships to open their cargo. It is counter-intuitive that it activates them instead of opening cargo like it does everywhere else.
* I may be wrong on this, but wasn't there an option to insure ships through a right click menu? Why has this gone away? It is extremely difficult to find the one specific ship you want to insure through insurance window when you have hundreds of them between corp and ship hangars.
* What if we have several windows open in the station, like three corp hangar views, 2 item hangars views, etc. Will all of them persist or only 1 corp hangar, 1 item, etc. and the rest are lost? What about opening specific containers? If I want station containers to always open in a certain location with certain parameters, will they be saved again, or will they inherit the settings of the parents group (corp, item, ship)

To CCP Arrow and everyone on Team Game of Drones, good job and thank you. If all these changes go through smoothly I'll have to finally admit that I like the new Inventory! Oops

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#114 - 2012-11-21 02:00:53 UTC
So much information in such a short dev blog!

These changes seem really nice, I will have to take the time to familiarize myself with these features on Test Server du jour :)

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Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#115 - 2012-11-21 03:08:12 UTC
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
+1 for returning Alt-C to its old purpose of opening up the Ship's cargo.

On my current setup, I have Alt-G set to open the hangar floor, Alt-C for the cargo (like $DIETY intended), and Alt-N for the ship hangar.

Not sure what other keystrokes are available, but Alt-I is a common one for "inventory" in other games.


I also made Alt+I my inventory and overwrote the industry window with it

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TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
#116 - 2012-11-21 03:32:50 UTC
CCP Arrow wrote:
Fire Stone wrote:
I may have missed this but was the issue resolved where you have 3 windows open in a station

1) corp hanger
2) item hanger
3) ship cargo

Un-dock and you get 2 windows open showing your ships cargo?

This will result in you only having one window open, Ship cargo (3) since that goes with you when you undock.
When you dock again in any station, the item hangar (2) will appear again as you left it
and when you dock again in the same station with the office you left the Corp hangar (1) open in, that will welcome you exactly as you left it.

  • All windows that show something in your active ship will persist between undock/dock.
  • Item hangar and Ship hangar will persist in all stations globally, how you left them once you dock again.
  • Corporate hangars will persist how you left them when you dock again in each office individually.


Please create a button to give the same named station containers / vaults / warehouses in EVE the same behavior, that would be awesome!

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Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#117 - 2012-11-21 03:43:18 UTC
CCP Arrow,

Could you please improve the UI on the "survey scanner", that one used to know how much units of ore there are still inside the asteroid? Add some more information there, like the amount in volume! That would be really useful and would help us allot, especially those who are not afk mining.

Also there could be more info, like avarage isk value for the stack, remaining time to deplete with all strip miners on the asteroid , but I still be uber hapy if you put just the ore volume for the retribution. Lol

Thx!

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Komen
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#118 - 2012-11-21 05:43:57 UTC
Well done on reducing the lag in inventory-across-multiple-clients. But not a good job. Living in a POS has been an unending low-grade migraine since the change to inventory. 30+ seconds to swap a ship, and over a minute to load a hauler with cargo cans to expand the carry-load. Each and every time.

This 'user testing' you've conducted should have been done before unleashing this on tranquility. Hopefully you will continue to use it for any major changes to the basics of how we play the game, and listen to those testers, as you've apparently done here, incorporating their feedback. In fact, EVERY DESIGN CHANGE YOU MAKE ought to have some sort of direct feedback line to the devs in charge.

I'm glad the inventory is getting improved, but I'm pissed about the wait time.

Do better.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#119 - 2012-11-21 06:18:44 UTC
God Send.

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Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#120 - 2012-11-21 06:44:03 UTC
The changes look great.
Among all the shinies we get on December 4th this might be the best.
Thank you!