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Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-11-17 14:52:44 UTC
Linus Ohmiras wrote:
This?

2012.11.15 14:27:00

Victim: Linus Ohmiras
Corp: State War Academy
Alliance: Unknown
Faction: Unknown
Destroyed: Raven
System: Haatomo
Security: 0,6
Damage Taken: 44801

Involved parties:

Name: Caldari Customs Commissioner / Corporate Police Force
Damage Done: 29474

Name: Centii Loyal Minion / Sansha's Nation (laid the final blow)
Damage Done: 15327

Destroyed items:

Metal Scraps, Qty: 3 (Cargo)
Nova Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I, Qty: 100 (Cargo)
Scorched Telemetry Processor (Cargo)
Uranium Charge M, Qty: 179 (Cargo)
Confiscated Viral Agent, Qty: 40 (Cargo)
Armor Plates, Qty: 5 (Cargo)
Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System I
Antimatter Charge S, Qty: 100 (Cargo)
Iridium Charge M, Qty: 38 (Cargo)
Contaminated Nanite Compound, Qty: 5 (Cargo)
Infrared M (Cargo)
Prototype Sensor Booster (Cargo)
Carbonized Lead M, Qty: 100 (Cargo)
Nova Cruise Missile, Qty: 1000 (Cargo)
Hornet I (Drone Bay)
Prisoners, Qty: 10 (Cargo)
Experimental 1MN Afterburner I (Cargo)
Defective Current Pump (Cargo)
Large Shield Extender II
Gamma M (Cargo)
50mm Reinforced Crystalline Carbonide Plates I (Cargo)
Iridium Charge S, Qty: 100 (Cargo)
'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I (Cargo)
Scourge Cruise Missile, Qty: 24
Frentix, Qty: 10 (Cargo)
Large Shield Booster II
Ballistic Control System I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
Scourge Cruise Missile, Qty: 24
Mjolnir Cruise Missile, Qty: 400 (Cargo)
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
Microwave S (Cargo)
Hobgoblin I, Qty: 2 (Drone Bay)
Melted Capacitor Console, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I (Cargo)
Scourge Cruise Missile, Qty: 24
OE-5200 Rocket Launcher (Cargo)
Scourge Cruise Missile, Qty: 24
Olufami's DNA (Cargo)
Scattering ECCM Projector I (Cargo)
Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I

Dropped items:

Sentry Drone Interfacing (Cargo)
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Metal Scraps, Qty: 10 (Cargo)
Scordite Mining Crystal I, Qty: 5 (Cargo)
Ultraviolet M (Cargo)
Lead Charge S, Qty: 100 (Cargo)
Salvager I
Burned Logic Circuit, Qty: 4 (Cargo)
Interceptors (Cargo)
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
Type-D Altered SS Inertial Stabilizers (Cargo)
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Charred Micro Circuit, Qty: 11 (Cargo)
Ballistic Control System I
Small Asymmetric Barrier Transpositioner I (Cargo)
Inferno Rocket, Qty: 100 (Cargo)
Plutonium Charge M, Qty: 291 (Cargo)
Tripped Power Circuit, Qty: 11 (Cargo)
Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System I
Thorium Charge M, Qty: 100 (Cargo)
Small I-b Polarized Structural Regenerator (Cargo)
Limited 1MN Afterburner I (Cargo)
Iridium Charge M, Qty: 40
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
Scourge Cruise Missile, Qty: 24
Type-D Power Core Modification: Capacitor Power Relay (Cargo)
Warrior I (Cargo)
Hobgoblin I, Qty: 2 (Drone Bay)
Hammerhead I (Cargo)
Prototype Freight Sensors (Cargo)
Acolyte I (Drone Bay)
Scourge Cruise Missile, Qty: 24
Tangled Power Conduit, Qty: 4 (Cargo)
Upgraded 'Malkuth' Rapid Light Missile Launcher (Cargo)
Antimatter Charge M, Qty: 104 (Cargo)
Ballistic Control System I
Fried Interface Circuit, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
Small YF-12a Smartbomb (Cargo)
Scourge Cruise Missile, Qty: 3730 (Cargo)



Aww, I can't upload it to the killboards because no players were involved... Cry

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-11-17 20:31:00 UTC
Lugia3 wrote:
Linus Ohmiras wrote:
This?

2012.11.15 14:27:00

Victim: Linus Ohmiras
Corp: State War Academy
Alliance: Unknown
Faction: Unknown
Destroyed: Raven
System: Haatomo
Security: 0,6
Damage Taken: 44801

Involved parties:

Name: Caldari Customs Commissioner / Corporate Police Force
Damage Done: 29474

Name: Centii Loyal Minion / Sansha's Nation (laid the final blow)
Damage Done: 15327

Destroyed items:

Metal Scraps, Qty: 3 (Cargo)
Nova Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I, Qty: 100 (Cargo)
Scorched Telemetry Processor (Cargo)
Uranium Charge M, Qty: 179 (Cargo)
Confiscated Viral Agent, Qty: 40 (Cargo)
Armor Plates, Qty: 5 (Cargo)
Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System I
Antimatter Charge S, Qty: 100 (Cargo)
Iridium Charge M, Qty: 38 (Cargo)
Contaminated Nanite Compound, Qty: 5 (Cargo)
Infrared M (Cargo)
Prototype Sensor Booster (Cargo)
Carbonized Lead M, Qty: 100 (Cargo)
Nova Cruise Missile, Qty: 1000 (Cargo)
Hornet I (Drone Bay)
Prisoners, Qty: 10 (Cargo)
Experimental 1MN Afterburner I (Cargo)
Defective Current Pump (Cargo)
Large Shield Extender II
Gamma M (Cargo)
50mm Reinforced Crystalline Carbonide Plates I (Cargo)
Iridium Charge S, Qty: 100 (Cargo)
'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I (Cargo)
Scourge Cruise Missile, Qty: 24
Frentix, Qty: 10 (Cargo)
Large Shield Booster II
Ballistic Control System I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
Scourge Cruise Missile, Qty: 24
Mjolnir Cruise Missile, Qty: 400 (Cargo)
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
Microwave S (Cargo)
Hobgoblin I, Qty: 2 (Drone Bay)
Melted Capacitor Console, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I (Cargo)
Scourge Cruise Missile, Qty: 24
OE-5200 Rocket Launcher (Cargo)
Scourge Cruise Missile, Qty: 24
Olufami's DNA (Cargo)
Scattering ECCM Projector I (Cargo)
Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I

Dropped items:

Sentry Drone Interfacing (Cargo)
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Metal Scraps, Qty: 10 (Cargo)
Scordite Mining Crystal I, Qty: 5 (Cargo)
Ultraviolet M (Cargo)
Lead Charge S, Qty: 100 (Cargo)
Salvager I
Burned Logic Circuit, Qty: 4 (Cargo)
Interceptors (Cargo)
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
Type-D Altered SS Inertial Stabilizers (Cargo)
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Charred Micro Circuit, Qty: 11 (Cargo)
Ballistic Control System I
Small Asymmetric Barrier Transpositioner I (Cargo)
Inferno Rocket, Qty: 100 (Cargo)
Plutonium Charge M, Qty: 291 (Cargo)
Tripped Power Circuit, Qty: 11 (Cargo)
Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System I
Thorium Charge M, Qty: 100 (Cargo)
Small I-b Polarized Structural Regenerator (Cargo)
Limited 1MN Afterburner I (Cargo)
Iridium Charge M, Qty: 40
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
Scourge Cruise Missile, Qty: 24
Type-D Power Core Modification: Capacitor Power Relay (Cargo)
Warrior I (Cargo)
Hobgoblin I, Qty: 2 (Drone Bay)
Hammerhead I (Cargo)
Prototype Freight Sensors (Cargo)
Acolyte I (Drone Bay)
Scourge Cruise Missile, Qty: 24
Tangled Power Conduit, Qty: 4 (Cargo)
Upgraded 'Malkuth' Rapid Light Missile Launcher (Cargo)
Antimatter Charge M, Qty: 104 (Cargo)
Ballistic Control System I
Fried Interface Circuit, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
Small YF-12a Smartbomb (Cargo)
Scourge Cruise Missile, Qty: 3730 (Cargo)



Aww, I can't upload it to the killboards because no players were involved... Cry


Already tried that, just for the sake of being more friendly to look at.

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Kanta Kansene
Agentes in rebus
#23 - 2012-11-18 06:18:08 UTC
Linus Ohmiras wrote:
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Get a Noctis, looting in a battleship must be incredibly slow. Run the mission, bookmark the wrecks, turn the mission in and take the Noctis back to loot and salvage


I'll keep that in mind for when I start with lvl4 missions, atm I can loot while I fight.



You're using a battleship for level 3 missions? What's wrong with a Drake? Extra launcher over a standard raven.
Joe Buzzard
Buzzard Bait and Salvage VLLC
#24 - 2012-11-19 08:27:21 UTC
I may be mistaken (am newb), but I think that if you wait until after downtime the mission will reset and you can re-run it to at least get quest items again.
Linus Ohmiras
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-11-20 17:40:31 UTC
Kanta Kansene wrote:
Linus Ohmiras wrote:
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Get a Noctis, looting in a battleship must be incredibly slow. Run the mission, bookmark the wrecks, turn the mission in and take the Noctis back to loot and salvage


I'll keep that in mind for when I start with lvl4 missions, atm I can loot while I fight.



You're using a battleship for level 3 missions? What's wrong with a Drake? Extra launcher over a standard raven.



Don't know, I'm probably compensating for something.. You think it would be easier in a drake? The raven has much more hp/cap etc.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-11-20 18:00:08 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Linus Ohmiras wrote:
Kanta Kansene wrote:
Linus Ohmiras wrote:
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Get a Noctis, looting in a battleship must be incredibly slow. Run the mission, bookmark the wrecks, turn the mission in and take the Noctis back to loot and salvage


I'll keep that in mind for when I start with lvl4 missions, atm I can loot while I fight.



You're using a battleship for level 3 missions? What's wrong with a Drake? Extra launcher over a standard raven.



Don't know, I'm probably compensating for something.. You think it would be easier in a drake? The raven has much more hp/cap etc.


And the Raven shoots missiles made to skill battleships.

Drake (up until it gets nerfed next expansion) will shoot at long range with missiles designed to be more effective against Cruisers and still do fairly good against Destroyers.

Destroyers and frigate also hate those light drones you pop out of your Drake.

As most Lvl 3's mainly consist out of Destroyers and Cruisers rats, give the Drake a try.

BIGGER =/= BETTER in EVE.

More HP/Cap doesn't mean it's better, it just means it has more then the other.
* A Titan has WAY more cap and HP then a frigate, yet they are UTTERLY useless in level 1's (just an example)*

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-11-20 18:01:57 UTC
Joe Buzzard wrote:
I may be mistaken (am newb), but I think that if you wait until after downtime the mission will reset and you can re-run it to at least get quest items again.


Missions get reset at downtimes ONLY if you didn't kill the final mission trigger.

Take Damsel in Distress mission:

If you didn't blow up the structure where the Damsel is in and DT hits = will be reset after DT
If you DID blow up the structure where the Damsel is in and DT hits = will NOT be reset after DT.

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Linus Ohmiras
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-11-20 20:06:07 UTC
I used heavy launchers while I was waiting for the cruise skill, and I'm pretty sure I do more damage with the cruise.

Hah, lend me a titan and I'll tear those lvl1's apart. :)
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-11-20 20:07:37 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Linus Ohmiras wrote:
I used heavy launchers while I was waiting for the cruise skill, and I'm pretty sure I do more damage with the cruise.

Hah, lend me a titan and I'll tear those lvl1's apart. :)


Sure raw damage might be higher.

But how quick do you kill a small target that is moving fast with your cruise missiles compared to Heavy missiles.

e.g. Drakes and Tengus aren't the main choice of ship for most PvE guys cause they are useless P

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-11-20 20:59:57 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Linus Ohmiras wrote:
I used heavy launchers while I was waiting for the cruise skill, and I'm pretty sure I do more damage with the cruise.

Hah, lend me a titan and I'll tear those lvl1's apart. :)


Sure raw damage might be higher.

But how quick do you kill a small target that is moving fast with your cruise missiles compared to Heavy missiles.

e.g. Drakes and Tengus aren't the main choice of ship for most PvE guys cause they are useless P


Tengu is great for ratting up your sec status though

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-11-20 21:29:46 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Linus Ohmiras wrote:
I used heavy launchers while I was waiting for the cruise skill, and I'm pretty sure I do more damage with the cruise.

Hah, lend me a titan and I'll tear those lvl1's apart. :)


Sure raw damage might be higher.

But how quick do you kill a small target that is moving fast with your cruise missiles compared to Heavy missiles.

e.g. Drakes and Tengus aren't the main choice of ship for most PvE guys cause they are uselessP


Tengu is great for ratting up your sec status though


Read last line again.....will bold the important words (double negative) and blend in a bit of Sarcasm....

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Linus Ohmiras
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-11-20 21:37:24 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Linus Ohmiras wrote:
I used heavy launchers while I was waiting for the cruise skill, and I'm pretty sure I do more damage with the cruise.

Hah, lend me a titan and I'll tear those lvl1's apart. :)


Sure raw damage might be higher.

But how quick do you kill a small target that is moving fast with your cruise missiles compared to Heavy missiles.

e.g. Drakes and Tengus aren't the main choice of ship for most PvE guys cause they are useless P


Drones mostly, not a prob.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-11-20 21:52:03 UTC
Linus Ohmiras wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Linus Ohmiras wrote:
I used heavy launchers while I was waiting for the cruise skill, and I'm pretty sure I do more damage with the cruise.

Hah, lend me a titan and I'll tear those lvl1's apart. :)


Sure raw damage might be higher.

But how quick do you kill a small target that is moving fast with your cruise missiles compared to Heavy missiles.

e.g. Drakes and Tengus aren't the main choice of ship for most PvE guys cause they are useless P


Drones mostly, not a prob.


Drake = Missles + same drones = more effective

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Linus Ohmiras
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-11-20 23:50:03 UTC
Does less damage at shorter range and tanks less well doesn't spell more effective to me.. I'm doing fine with the raven so I'll stick with that, your arguments seem more knee-jerk than fact-based.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#35 - 2012-11-21 04:11:53 UTC
If I remember correctly, someone said that covert ops ships are what you need for smuggling. Anything else falls under "don't bother trying."

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-11-21 08:47:32 UTC
Linus Ohmiras wrote:
Does less damage at shorter range and tanks less well doesn't spell more effective to me.. I'm doing fine with the raven so I'll stick with that, your arguments seem more knee-jerk than fact-based.


Well the general accepted ships for missions are.


Level 1: Frigates & Destroyers
Level 2: Destroyers & Cruisers
Level 3: Cruisers & Battlecruisers
Level 4: BC, T3's and Battleships.

This list is accepted as those are the ships that making running that level of missions more (cost) effective.

Sure you battleship can do level 4 missions.
But as most stuff is smaller and up close to you, you have to rely on your drones for that.
With a battlecruiser is also shoots smaller rounds/missiles at the rats, which means it can also kill those smaller stuff with your main guns more effectively.

And in the case you loose the ship, it's not that much of an ISK loss.
But you do as you want, nothing is keeping you from using BS in level 3's but the majority of the people will just say use something smaller and less expensive.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-11-21 08:49:33 UTC
Linus Ohmiras wrote:
I used heavy launchers while I was waiting for the cruise skill, and I'm pretty sure I do more damage with the cruise.

Hah, lend me a titan and I'll tear those lvl1's apart. :)


And that just shows us that you have not fully understand the game mechanics.

Frigates will kill the titan more easily as the other way around.

Titan = Capital guns = slow tracking
Frigates = Fast nimble ships

This results in Frigs just speed tanking your guns.

And as a titan doesn't have drones, your just food for frigates.
*though it take a lot of them to even break the passive shield regen*

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Linus Ohmiras
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-11-21 09:36:54 UTC
Light missiles+smartbombs. This is getting boring, you're just spouting "eve for dummies" quips that I've read off the wiki page already. A ship is a collection of stats, bigger ships have better stats in every way except target profile and speed. The most effective ship has the best stat tradeoff, and is fitted to highest effective dps for the intended purpose. Follow me this far, wise one?
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-11-21 09:54:23 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Linus Ohmiras wrote:
Light missiles+smartbombs. This is getting boring, you're just spouting "eve for dummies" quips that I've read off the wiki page already. A ship is a collection of stats, bigger ships have better stats in every way except target profile and speed. The most effective ship has the best stat tradeoff, and is fitted to highest effective dps for the intended purpose. Follow me this far, wise one?


Sure.

Let's meet up and run level 3's together.

You in your BS, me in my BC.

See after 2 hours who made the most money.

As you do know that higher speed + better suited weapon size means that a battlecruiser will go through the missions faster then your Raven does.

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Matthew97
#40 - 2012-11-21 10:12:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Matthew97
J'Poll wrote:
Lugia3 wrote:
Linus Ohmiras wrote:
This?

*Long Killmail here*



Aww, I can't upload it to the killboards because no players were involved... Cry


Already tried that, just for the sake of being more friendly to look at.




To make it easier I put it up on the Test Server Killboard:

http://test.true-sansha.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=108018

Enjoy :D
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