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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#61 - 2012-11-20 03:33:15 UTC
vlad0821 Artwik wrote:
however i think afk cloakies needs to have some kind of nerf, no profession should be completly safe in eve, if you afk on a freighter or a mining barge you risk your self to be ganked, if you autopilot in even in your pod you risk to be ganked, but if you log and cloak all the day and all the night you keep your self safe, thats kinda unbalanced if you ask me.

options to balance the game: the need of some kind of fuel to cloak that gets consumed every minute and a fuel bay on the cloakies with a limmited cargo size.

cyno jammed systems should work against cyno cov ops drops


a) If you stay cloaked all day, you are completely safe, and so is everyone else not within 2,000m of you.

b) How about people who aren't cloaked need fuel to run their ships, and if they run out they cant move or AB or MWD about, and they have to hitch a solar sail and sail home to station or call their mate in a hauler to bring them some fuel to put it in the tank. Boy, how fun would that be! idiot.

c) Bawhahahaw.

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Hirimatsu Yamamoto
AGGRESSIVE ASSET RELOCATION
#62 - 2012-11-20 17:48:19 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
[quote=vlad0821 Artwik]

b) How about people who aren't cloaked need fuel to run their ships, and if they run out they cant move or AB or MWD about, and they have to hitch a solar sail and sail home to station or call their mate in a hauler to bring them some fuel to put it in the tank. Boy, how fun would that be! idiot.



Oh, THEN the bitching would begin. :)
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#63 - 2012-11-25 16:45:05 UTC
First of all there are only two things more annoying than AFK cloaky whining threads:

1 Cretins from WH space saying to remove local in 0.0 as it works in WH space
2 Cretins from WH spaces satyng that a AFK cloaker is not a risk and using WH space as an example

Lets try to shut them up once and for all, CYNO's and BLOPS CYNO's, while you merry chaps can control what comes into your hole as CYNO's and BLOPS CYNO's do not work in WH space, us null sec chaps cannot due to CYNO's and BLOPS CYNO's, a cloaky Anathema in WH space is no threat, but arm that blighter with a CYNO or BLOPS CYNO in 0.0 and its a massive threat.

Now please stop making yourselves look like class 1 retards! or is that class 5 retards and go black to sleeper sites please.





When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2012-11-25 18:06:22 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
First of all there are only two things more annoying than AFK cloaky whining threads:

1 Cretins from WH space saying to remove local in 0.0 as it works in WH space
2 Cretins from WH spaces satyng that a AFK cloaker is not a risk and using WH space as an example

Lets try to shut them up once and for all, CYNO's and BLOPS CYNO's, while you merry chaps can control what comes into your hole as CYNO's and BLOPS CYNO's do not work in WH space, us null sec chaps cannot due to CYNO's and BLOPS CYNO's, a cloaky Anathema in WH space is no threat, but arm that blighter with a CYNO or BLOPS CYNO in 0.0 and its a massive threat.

Now please stop making yourselves look like class 1 retards! or is that class 5 retards and go black to sleeper sites please.



Actually you make yourself look equally idiotic, for missing the main points of the WH no local crowd. So let's elaborate.

CYNO's. No you can't use a cyno in WH space. But most of WH space cant even fit caps, so it is largely a non issue. Your ratting cap may get cyno dropped. In WH space your ratting T3 will get jumped by a cloaky T3 gang.

BLOPS CYNO. Simply not needed in WH space. With local, a blops cyno is necessary as there is no way to sneak your gang as local gives you away. In a WH you can get your entire covert ops fleet in system often completely undetected. So no a WH fleet can't BLOPS in. But they don't need to, they can just sneak up into range and decloak.

The main point is that without local covert ops is truly covert. You can have an entire fleet cloaked up in your system and never know it until it is too late. Yet WH dwellers still manage to leave their POS shields.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#65 - 2012-11-25 21:53:43 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
First of all there are only two things more annoying than AFK cloaky whining threads:

1 Cretins from WH space saying to remove local in 0.0 as it works in WH space
2 Cretins from WH spaces satyng that a AFK cloaker is not a risk and using WH space as an example

Lets try to shut them up once and for all, CYNO's and BLOPS CYNO's, while you merry chaps can control what comes into your hole as CYNO's and BLOPS CYNO's do not work in WH space, us null sec chaps cannot due to CYNO's and BLOPS CYNO's, a cloaky Anathema in WH space is no threat, but arm that blighter with a CYNO or BLOPS CYNO in 0.0 and its a massive threat.

Now please stop making yourselves look like class 1 retards! or is that class 5 retards and go black to sleeper sites please.



Actually you make yourself look equally idiotic, for missing the main points of the WH no local crowd. So let's elaborate.

CYNO's. No you can't use a cyno in WH space. But most of WH space cant even fit caps, so it is largely a non issue. Your ratting cap may get cyno dropped. In WH space your ratting T3 will get jumped by a cloaky T3 gang.

BLOPS CYNO. Simply not needed in WH space. With local, a blops cyno is necessary as there is no way to sneak your gang as local gives you away. In a WH you can get your entire covert ops fleet in system often completely undetected. So no a WH fleet can't BLOPS in. But they don't need to, they can just sneak up into range and decloak.

The main point is that without local covert ops is truly covert. You can have an entire fleet cloaked up in your system and never know it until it is too late. Yet WH dwellers still manage to leave their POS shields.


You are missing the point completely, the issue here is that a single covert ops in 0.0 can drop a ton of ships on you, if one gets into a WH system which has scouts out then that covert ops sitting around cloaked is no risk what so ever. So if I am in a WH with a proactive attitude I would have probers out to check for new WH's and I would have scouts out to keep eyes on each WH. So I would know that the fleet is coming in, I would have time to get safe or arrange a nice welcome, with a cyno you have no idea what is going to land on you. So to state the obvious, in a WH a covert ops sitting around cloaked up is no risk apart from gathering intel, in 0.0 its a huge risk. I find cretins from the WH group who make a case for no local in 0.0 based on WH space are either stupid in ignoring the impacts of cynos, or they just want to make it easier to gank in 0.0.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
vlad0821 Artwik
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2012-12-04 19:19:42 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
vlad0821 Artwik wrote:
however i think afk cloakies needs to have some kind of nerf, no profession should be completly safe in eve, if you afk on a freighter or a mining barge you risk your self to be ganked, if you autopilot in even in your pod you risk to be ganked, but if you log and cloak all the day and all the night you keep your self safe, thats kinda unbalanced if you ask me.

options to balance the game: the need of some kind of fuel to cloak that gets consumed every minute and a fuel bay on the cloakies with a limmited cargo size.

cyno jammed systems should work against cyno cov ops drops


a) If you stay cloaked all day, you are completely safe, and so is everyone else not within 2,000m of you.

b) How about people who aren't cloaked need fuel to run their ships, and if they run out they cant move or AB or MWD about, and they have to hitch a solar sail and sail home to station or call their mate in a hauler to bring them some fuel to put it in the tank. Boy, how fun would that be! idiot.

c) Bawhahahaw.

sorry for the late answer Shocked first: you are wrong, everyone else is doing **** that can get them killed, call it rating, mining, moving things, pvping etc, also if they idle in the middle of the space doing nothing they will probably die, however you can afk in the midle of the space for 23/7 and be there without any risk so dont lie to yourself. Second, im not asking for fuel to move your ship, im asking for fuel to the use of the cloak of your ship, you can still move freely..., and just to let you know theres already some kind of fuel to move your ships, it is called capacitor.

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AFK Cloaker
Matari Exodus
#67 - 2012-12-04 20:52:18 UTC
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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#68 - 2012-12-04 21:19:13 UTC
Doesn't this thread belong in the "Wormholes", or "Boring as hell 0.0" subforums?
psycho freak
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2012-12-04 22:30:11 UTC
Lol whineing 0.0 pansys come live in losec were everyone wants to kill you then you wont have to cry about cloakers in your system


boo hoo hoo ccp please change game to suit me coz im mad i tell u maaaaad

get a grip and grow pair balls and try baiting them

my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k

nop cant find it
Dasola
New Edens Freeports
#70 - 2012-12-05 09:51:26 UTC
Hmm one of these afk cloaker whine threads again.... Number 5466893 i believe..


Cloak is counter to probes and directional scanner. As others has sayd, if hes really afk, then hes no danger... If he is not afk, then hes actually playing the game...

And since 0.0 people always whine about highsec with reason: risk vs. reward. I would say stop complaining about afk cloakers, theyre part of risk in 0.0 to justify those isk sources there that are better then highsec things... Besides if your corporation/alliance cant handle single afk clokaer, get your sorry ass back to highsec... Critical systems can be cynojammed, jumpbridges exists, etc...

We are Minmatar, Our ship are made of scraps, but look what our scraps can do...
Ix Aideron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2012-12-05 15:12:56 UTC
OP, please cloak your posts in the future so I don't see them.
vlad0821 Artwik
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2012-12-05 22:04:42 UTC
Dasola wrote:
Hmm one of these afk cloaker whine threads again.... Number 5466893 i believe..


Cloak is counter to probes and directional scanner. As others has sayd, if hes really afk, then hes no danger... If he is not afk, then hes actually playing the game...

And since 0.0 people always whine about highsec with reason: risk vs. reward. I would say stop complaining about afk cloakers, theyre part of risk in 0.0 to justify those isk sources there that are better then highsec things... Besides if your corporation/alliance cant handle single afk clokaer, get your sorry ass back to highsec... Critical systems can be cynojammed, jumpbridges exists, etc...


Just to let you know, cynojamms dont affect black ops hot drops.
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#73 - 2012-12-05 22:14:03 UTC
Carebears...keeping the water works on for bomber pilots to bathe in scrub tears.

Getting a little prunny.