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attacking ships with no defense or offense

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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#21 - 2012-11-20 12:46:18 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
Posting links to killmails is not allowed. - CCP Eterne

Remove standings and insurance.
SaKoil
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-11-20 12:46:59 UTC
Lashauna wrote:
noob tears

even if your ship have no defense or offense

Why does your ship have no offense or defense?
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#23 - 2012-11-20 12:50:39 UTC
Quote:
honour (US, honor) [ˈɒnə]
n
1. personal integrity; allegiance to moral principles
2. fame or glory
3. (often plural) great respect, regard, esteem, etc., or an outward sign of this
4. (often plural) high or noble rank



Honour is a subjective thing.

For one person honour may not be attacking the weak.

For another it might be letting the weak know before you attack them.

For others it might be robbing the rich of their ill gotten gains by attacking their unprotected frighters full of goods and distributing it amoung the space poor.

TL;DR

lol honour

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
#24 - 2012-11-20 13:30:57 UTC
We do it for threads exactly like this.

Its a pvp game, dont like the pvp the way it is. **** off somewhere else *****.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#25 - 2012-11-20 13:32:07 UTC
I think TC means non-combat oriented ships like Industrials and Shuttles. You know, those things that are sometimes chock full of stuff or Blueprints? Twisted

There is no honour to be gained in the eyes of your opponent. The only honour that matters is that between you and your ingame friends. Eve Honour = not screwing other people over, keeping your word, being a trustworthy person. Sharing the loot from that defenseless Industrial equally. Keeping your contracts clean and fair. Keeping local smacktalk witty and respectfull.

There are also exceptions. Yesterday for example, I warped off from an very close 1vs1 in hopes of leaving my opponent with a sliver of struct. It worked, so the pilot remained in local, we had a good laugh / chat and the guy ended up applying for my corporation. Since I didn't blew up his ship (only demonstrated that I could), we quickly repaired our frigs and went roaming together.

Forms of emergent gameplay as described above are very hard for a defenseless ship. It's not exactly suitable for small gang / solo pvp. For anyone in a T1 frig or destroyer, it's traffic either to be ignored or shot down. In fact, shooting that indy might very well be the only form of interaction (apart from chatting) that's possible between the two. In my eyes, the Indy is just as focussed on PvP as the frigate pilot (he undocked, didn't he?), but it's simply his aim to prevent being shot in the first place and sneak past his enemies, maybe even use a cloak. Should he succeed, he wins at PvP. Hauling 50 mil of stuff out of lowsec isn't just logistics. It's a PvP victory if you think about it.
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-11-20 13:47:15 UTC
Basically, OP, people in EVE will kill whatever they can catch that isn't their friend in the lawless areas of EVE, and gank unsuspecting idiots carrying enough valuables to make it profitable in the policed areas of EVE. In short, don't be an idiot and don't get caught.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#27 - 2012-11-20 13:47:24 UTC
Why do Battlefield and CoD players just want to shoot each other?

Who put the goat in there?
Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-11-20 13:48:42 UTC
Doddy wrote:


Podkilling is a bit different, there is no gain.


For the main podkillers, pirates, podkilling serves as "next time done come through here as a noob and we might ransom you" , as well as "next time take the ransom and we won't kill you".

Now if only there was an implant scanner module, we could ALWAYS ransom the proper amount and people could go on living for a percentage of what it would have costed them...

unless they had zero implants of course.

TunDraGon ~ Low sec piracy since 2003 ~ Youtube ~ Join Us
Alara IonStorm
#29 - 2012-11-20 13:52:14 UTC
Shederov Blood wrote:
Why do Battlefield and CoD players just want to shoot each other?

Sociopaths and Belligerent Undesirable I have been told.

People with Morals try to negotiate a peaceful solution and coexist on a map together.
Destru Kaneda
Arzad Police Department
#30 - 2012-11-20 13:55:17 UTC
The Logi
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-11-20 14:46:39 UTC
Mag's
Azn Empire
#32 - 2012-11-20 15:05:52 UTC
Doddy wrote:
Podkilling is a bit different, there is no gain.
Sorry, but you are in fact wrong about this.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Dervinus
LowKey Ops
Snuffed Out
#33 - 2012-11-20 15:12:10 UTC
OP got his freighter killed in lowsec earlier today, and he comes here claiming this is not a thread about "tears." Heh

o7 toonies
Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-11-20 15:20:47 UTC
Lashauna wrote:
what is the honor of attacking a ship that can not fight back? for killboard stats? but how can your killboard look "good" if it is full of defenseless ships?

is this all EVE is about?


Short answer: Yes.

Long answer:

You can't expect to apply ideas like honor to a game like EVE. The entire premise of the game is to observe the Eleventh Commandment: "Do Onto Others, Before They Do Onto You".

As a gamer, I always had a code of conduct of sorts. For example, if I stumble onto someone fighting NPCs in another MMO, I don't jump on top of it and yell "Gangb***g!" I'll politely wait until he's done killing AND looting. Why? Well, he did all the work, might as well make sure he gets the rewards, in case I win. We then duke it out. It's nice, clean, honorable. And it means something if I win. What meaning does it have to beat someone down who is already on the verge of possibly dying to a bunch of NPCs?

Same goes for attacking "lowbies". People who can't effectively fight back. Or "ganking" (Nv1 fights where the victim has no chance of winning, and only a slim chance of escape). I just see very little point in it, nor do I have much fun doing it.

Now, in EVE, people will tell you none of this applies, because of loot and ISK. That is a fallacy, and an obvious one at that. Because what is ISK? You can BUY ISK in EVE for crying out loud, legally. Something you can't do even in a carebear game like WoW. Want to become a billionaire in EVE? Dump a hundred bucks into the game, and viola, you're a billionaire! Congratulations, you win EVE! Credits roll, uninstall?

But hey, that's just me. I'm crazy and quirky like that.
Random Majere
Rogue Fleet
#35 - 2012-11-20 15:28:24 UTC
Because blowing unsuspecting and defenceless ships in Eve gives some people feelings they can never achieve in RL.

Also, do not think that honourable acts never occur in Eve. They just rarely get mentioned on the forums.
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#36 - 2012-11-20 15:42:29 UTC
Lashauna wrote:
honor


In every corner of the universe you will find those who will see this as a weakness to be exploited and those who will see it as a way of living.

If you believe what Hollywood teaches you, that good will always prevail, then find those who think like you. Who knows, you might actually make a difference.

I personally found training autocannons V helped me more than typing "karma" in local. I also found using/training the right ship also saved me countless deaths. Finally, I also found that some days, you just need to know when to back off. Accepting defeat is the hardest part towards "winning EVE Online".
Blind Phew
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-11-20 15:48:16 UTC
Remember:

"Don't fly what you can't afford to lose"

&

"Don't marry someone you can't afford to get rid of"
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#38 - 2012-11-20 16:08:59 UTC
Lashauna wrote:
is this all EVE is about?


Some people play to build things and others play to destroy things. Each playstyle is valid and right.

.
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#39 - 2012-11-20 16:10:11 UTC
A Kill is a Kill


This is Over used but oh well

http://youtu.be/5q3z4IP_nNU Pirate

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2012-11-20 17:22:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Fractal Muse
Lashauna wrote:

why every where in EVE, people always want to kill you? is this all EVE is all about? who can kill who first?

even if your ship have no defense or offense you are targeted and and quickly destroyed and usually by 2+ players...

what is the honor of attacking a ship that can not fight back? for killboard stats? but how can your killboard look "good" if it is full of defenseless ships?

is this all EVE is about?

I suppose it is a matter of where you are in space.

For most of my EVE time the vast majority of players have not tried to kill me.

I've been in 0.0 space and hung out with neutrals. I've even flown next to 'reds' and not been shot at.

In high sec I had one encounter with someone who tried to kill my ship. One. In years of playing.

That means that in all of the other time nothing happened. No one tried to kill me. No one attacked me. No one did anything mean to me.

And yet, I can tell you right now that I vividly remember being attacked. But, if I am honest with myself EVE isn't anywhere near as 'harsh' as people claim it is. The greater majority of players are nice, affable, and even kind. Yeah, there are some dorks out there and there are some meanies but they aren't as prevalent as forum posts, videos, or news reports would suggest.

We just remember the bad stuff more than the quiet times.