Missions & Complexes

Site contests are about the only fun thing in Incursions. Was my favourite reason for joining ISN way back when.

I should do Incursions again sometime.

Basically ISN have started killing moms early and disrupting incursion farming. Hence the drama. As mentioned before, ISN are goons of incursions and outcasts so flying with them will get you nowhere. Join TVP for common fleets and DIN, SAQD and ICU for elite fleets.

maybe the agreement communities should change the agreed mom killing time from "Withdrawing" to "Mobilizing", to keep things interesting

I'm sure ISN will approve

rite? RITE?

Then ISN will kill the mom as soon as it spawns. Even if there is no other highsec incursion. We have seen this before.

ISN = Brick Squad of 2011 = griefers.

Incursions belong to everyone, so neither TVP or any other Incursion community should have a monopolly to killing moms. Finishing an Incursion before it starts withdrawing isn't griefing, griefing is to not finish it at all and leave all the people who participated without LPs. And I've seen a lot of highsec Incursions not finishing. So, for as long as TVP is not being able (or not willing) to focus on more than one Incursion at a time I will call them griefers instead of ISN.

As far as I'm concerned, Incursions should be stopped as quickly as possible, because they disrupt most other PVE gameplay in the affected systems, such as mission running and mining.

So, if the game mechanics are such that stopping an Incursion ASAP is not encouraged, then they are badly designed.

I have heard everything in this topic over and over again, if it is in this topic or our own forum post that inform people about ISN, how we run fleets and what requerments we have in our fleets.

For some reason everyone is bitching about ISN and how the communitie is being run. The only thing we want is to run incursions, make ISK and do this as effective as we can. Not everyone agrees with this but this is how we run incursions.

Most of the other incursion communities made an agreement who can take the mom in what incursion, armor or shield (however half of the armor mom fleets is made out of shield fits because the armor communitie is much smaller). And most of these shield pilots come from alot of communities because they made the agreement about who is allowed to take the mom. (ISN isnt in this btw because we dont agree with the agreement they made)

So basicly what is comes to is that ISN want to be independent communitie not hold by the agreements of the other communities.

We kill incursions when we want to but never before an other good highsec incursion spawns, the last incursion we killed was in a system with 1 station in all the incursion systems, I dont believe that anyone in any of the other communities liked this so much that they wanted to stay here. And beside that, TVP was forming a fleet to end the incursion themselfs they where just slower with putting a fleet up.

I just wanted to make these points clear, I'm kinda sick of people making ISN the bad guy in everything.

What is more important to me is the pilots that fly with ISN like how we fly and enjoy flying with ISN.
On a second note we are always willing to help people with ship fits or extra info about incursions and if people cant fly the fits that are requered to join our fleets we point them towards TVP untill they are able to fly a pirate BS with T2 guns and modules.

Greetings,
Yimo


PS. I know I will get trolled alot because of this because people dont believe it

Mostly there is only 1 good highsec incursion up the last couple of times and that aside we also like the contests, this is what makes incursions more fun to run. Sometimes you win one and sometimes you lose one, that is part of the game. (this is for both ISN and other communities, it's not like they are only fun if you win them)



I believe it was the other way around, most of us where still in the Tournament match with our heads and talking stuff over and joking around about making a mom fleet. When we got the word about TVP joining fleet with TDF to kill the mom we started forming up (But this can be an endless discussion because you think you are right and I think I'm right)



I mostly just want this crap to be over, we all want to fly incursions and let the pilots decide with who they fly, TVP, ISN, ICU, DIN, TDF or what other communities are out there. We all want the same thing, run incursions and make ISK, all in our own way.
I also dont like that people start trolling or saying bad things about ISN in our own advertising forumpost. (You always have people that do or do not like some people, alliances, corps or communities. That is never going to change)

Like I said, I believe, and we can go back and forth with this over and over again, we both think we are right. That can happen I dont have a perfect memory but this is how I recall it. (I can be wrong of course)

And you dont need to put yourself or anyone else down like that. Non of us are more then the other, we just all have our own way of doing stuff. Every incursion communitie has their own way and some pilots feel comfortable with one communitie and other with an other one. Its all personal preference.

As someone new to incursions, I find this whole debate pathetic & pointless.

As Yimodo said "...we all want to fly incursions and let the pilots decide with who they fly, TVP, ISN, ICU, DIN, TDF or what other communities are out there. We all want the same thing, run incursions and make ISK, all in our own way..."

When I first researched this matter, I decided on flying with ISN because I lked the way they ran their side of things. That was my personal choice & I'm glad of it. Other people may have different opinions, but that is their right.

I've only ventured outside the ISN fold once (Lv6) & got on well with the guys in that group. I will go back again, if & when ISN doesn't have a fleet going.

I will never fly with any group who appear to do nothing more than grief/troll these forums, canning ISN at any & every opportunity. I am sure that there are many other people out there like me who read this stuff & think to themselves that if ISN is so disliked by these trolling/griefing communities then maybe they (ISN) are doing something right!

I don't believe it is proper for anyone to sit here bad mouthing TVP v ISN (or vice versa). Each group will suit different people, so why not debate this sensibly & give people considering venturing into incursions (which after all this debate is all about) proper information with which to make a considered decision.