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The reason industry isn't huge in 0.0 is simple. You cannot have a an on going war where you never run out of supplies. Could you imagine the snowball as it became easier to produce ships? Good luck taking space from anyone who can mount a never ending attack. Not that this isn't already a problem, but by taking even less time out of the equation. It will only get much worse.

I don't live in 0.0 so if I am missing something here or am way off let me know. But I am fairly certain that supply lines are essential.

It doesn't need to be safer at all as it's up to the individual pilots to take measures to mitigate risk as much as possible. The industry itself needs to be more viable & self-sustaining. One of the main issues at the moment is you spend 80bil or so to get a station that can refine but you can't produce anything there, so you drop another station somewhere else & gain a few manufacturing slots & a couple of research slots that are assigned to supercap research. Now head to highsec or lowsec & most stations have 50 manufacturing slots. Some constellations have more manufacturing slots than all of nullsec.

Viable nullsec industry capabilities would also bring more conflict to nullsec & give more people a reason to live there.

But but but all the NPC corp duders keep telling me that 0.0 is totally safe and highsec is the dangerzone

The CSM is only interested in their own agenda. ( I lol'd at the no Concord in empire part) The CSM program really needs to be looked at by CCP. CCP wants to improve player base and retain current players, forcing one persons play style upon another will not do that. And every goon and pets will say otherwise. (Even though they bluntly state that they want to ruin the game, and CCP listens to their every word.)

My suggestions...
Fix Moon goo, have it deplete when mined, and regenerate when not. That alone will force conflict and alliances have to move to the ISK. At the very least make it from passive to active. *Insert goon and friends "That's a horrible idea because I said so!"* (Gee I wonder why?)

Allow Carriers (only carriers) back into highsec. But make a system that the pilots have to buy a permit to have it in space, and limit Stargate use to regional gates only.

Release more spaceships! CCP already has a lot of models in game already, allow us to acquire and use all pirate ships!

Now that we have a new destroyer, make a Tech 2 version that hunts down cloaked ships! That would fix a lot of current BS that null people complain about. (If anyone follows my threads/posts, I've discussed a excellent way to do the in the F&I section.)

I could go on, but I'm not a member of the CSM, so any ideas I have (which is a lot) will more then likely be ignored...

I removed some unconstructive semi-trolling posts (as well as a few that were responses to that). Keep things civil, people.

Null Industry has three problems, all of which have been screamed over and over and over

1 there is zero reason for ur corp and alliance members to build there own ships, its much easier to ship everything from jita to wherever your staging systems are and get to pew pew asap. My idea, TLDR allow corps or alliances to locally build improved items and ships from locally mined minerals. These would become regular items when they left the hands of your corp/alliance.

2 low end minerals in null are nearly non-existent. Say I want to build an aeon. In the past 6 months, Ive been mining everything but the spod from the grav sites (note: thats not cherry picking, thats just avoiding the dog excrement while looking for iron, gold and copper, do the math on mining everything vs skipping the spod before saying spod is more than doggie doo). This has gotten me just under half the trit, barely over half the pyrite needed, but enough zydrine and megacyte to build 37 and 32. Balance? IMHO ABC ores need put out significantly more trit and pyerite along with their current zydrine and megacyte, and low sec ores need signifcantly more mex, isogen and nocx. **dons the asbestos suit** flame on

3 where be the production lines? It seems to me that null industry was originally designed to all be done in POSes; which is now just bad. Hopefully the POS revamp changes this, when we get it. Perhaps my "golden" ships and modules from point #1 could only be built in these wonderful new POSes.

To be fair the guy said he didn't live there and feel free to let him know if he was wrong, there's no need to get defensive.

In every interaction with high sec players I take it as an oppertunity to teach them about the 75% of EVE they are missing out on in the hopes to convert them from their wayward path.

To extrapolate on this rather abrupt post:

Yes you are rightm in theory logisitcs are super important to a null sec war. If the markets aren't seeded with the ships you need then how will your pilots fight?

However there are two scenarios really, the present and what people in null want:



The Present

You declare war on someone and start fighting a gruelling sov battle. Both sides are inflicting severe losses on each other but both are backed up by large amounts of isk (due to moons, renters, etc). Realistically you are never going to make it so your opponent can't "buy ships". Both alliances import all their ships from High Sec via Jump Frighter, so risk to losing the goods you import in is about 0%. Since High Sec is producing all the war materials you'll never need to worry about running out of supplies. The only systems worth really trying hard to take are systems that allow you to extend your captial and super capital projection (see: UMI in the Tribute war).

The Future

alliances have decicated systems that they have invested time and money in to make into production capitals of null. In fact these key expensive systems easily out produce systems in High Sec and easily keep the alliance well stocked with practically everything they could ever want. No-one runs jump frighters to High Sec and back anymore as they don't need them. Now two sides go to war, where do you attack? Do you attack the system to help your capital production? Or do you attack the system producing all their ships? By now people are used to having all their stuff made in one system and there might not even be the capability to transport stuff in from High Sec (lack of talent and/or people willing to do it). You take out that system and your enemy will be suffering a loss of supplies instead of just going "lol JF from jita to VFK anyone?". Or do you attack the system that let's you drop capital ships everywhere?







As you can see even by letting null build up the abilities of a single system you're already making wars a lot more interesting and tactical, plus you're allowing the possiblity to actually fight the enemy in a different way to just "take space, drop capitals". Imagine if you could do this with multiple types of system, so there was a really good mining system, a really good industry system, a system where you could have multiple jump bridges but nothing else etc.

Fact is the more null can customise it's space the more dynamic, interesting and rewarding it becomes.

Even thinking about nullsec industry makes my head hurt.

To manufacture you need a POS, to keep that up you need fuel blocks. If you don't import them you will need to make them at that POS. For that you need PI planets. A lot of different ones. Oh, and you will need to mine ice for those blocks too. Then you need the Fuel Block BPO or BPC, preferably a well researched one, and then you can start making the fuel for that POS... oh wait a minute... I will need to get fuel blocks from somwhere else to fire it up in the first place...

I don't even remotely consider nullsec industry because I don't want to bother with the headache-inducing circular logic you need to wrap your head around. There are parts to Eve Online that are actually enjoyable, so why would I want to flagallate myself trying to get into nullsec industry?

Here's the thing though: why the obsessive need to do every single step from A to Z by yourself?

Either do PI or produce a ship/module with materials that you buy in and have transported by someone or any one step in between and just focus on that?

And maybe have a friend or two help out. Last time I checked this was a MMO after all.

Moved to the CSM Assembly Hall