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Why is Auto Pilot still in the game CCP?
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Nylith Empyreal
Sutar Rein
#21 - 2012-11-20 03:55:43 UTC
Have you guys every tried to transport something across the map? Autopilot keeps people sane.

Who's the more foolish the fool or the fool who replies to him?
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#22 - 2012-11-20 03:59:10 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Ocih wrote:
I know how you do it.
I don't want to stop you from doing it. That gives you an EVE is becoming trammel soap box to climb up on to. I want to make it harder.


So you know how we do it, but you also have no idea? How does that work exactly?
Also if it's so easy, why aren't more people doing it?


You make it seem complex.

EHP reduced by more dps than there is EHP = dead freighter.

Without Auto Pilot, you could still do this. You would never get a kill though if you did it docked at Autaris III.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-11-20 04:01:31 UTC  |  Edited by: SmilingVagrant
Ocih wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Highsec.

Using it in nullsec is suicide, and it's inadvisable in low.


It's suicide in high Sec too. You have the kill mails to prove it.


I hope that's a plural you because I haven't been in highsec except in passing since the whole Burn Jita thing. One of the greatest misconceptions about goons is that we are all of one mind.

Given my druthers I'd much rather be out in deep null taking someones home away from them, or just parking my winebago on their lawn while my white trash children run around naked in the front yard than burning freighters in highsec.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#24 - 2012-11-20 04:03:54 UTC
Nylith Empyreal wrote:
Have you guys every tried to transport something across the map? Autopilot keeps people sane.


It is faster with WTZ. So AFK travel is what you are asking for. I don't support a WTZ auto pilot so removing Auto Pilot is the only other option.

If EVE travel is that boring, they can set up NPC High Sec Jump Bridges and charge ISK based on L-ozone ratios and use it as a sink.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#25 - 2012-11-20 04:13:22 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Ocih wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Highsec.

Using it in nullsec is suicide, and it's inadvisable in low.


It's suicide in high Sec too. You have the kill mails to prove it.


I hope that's a plural you because I haven't been in highsec except in passing since the whole Burn Jita thing. One of the greatest misconceptions about goons is that we are all of one mind.

Given my druthers I'd much rather be out in deep null taking someones home away from them, or just parking my winebago on their lawn while my white trash children run around naked in the front yard than burning freighters in highsec.


You are judged by the company you keep. It's why certain people can't get in to GoonSwarm. It's not wrong, it makes sense.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-11-20 04:24:32 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Ocih wrote:
I know how you do it.
I don't want to stop you from doing it. That gives you an EVE is becoming trammel soap box to climb up on to. I want to make it harder.


So you know how we do it, but you also have no idea? How does that work exactly?
Also if it's so easy, why aren't more people doing it?


You make it seem complex.

EHP reduced by more dps than there is EHP = dead freighter.

Without Auto Pilot, you could still do this. You would never get a kill though if you did it docked at Autaris III.


Well the underlined part is obvious, but literally everything else you've said about ganking freighters is wrong.

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Lance Rossiter
CHAINS Corp
#27 - 2012-11-20 04:26:37 UTC
It provides an outlet for a player's deep dark self-destructive urges before it builds to critical level and forces them to self-destruct their ship.
psycho freak
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-11-20 04:28:06 UTC
AP is there to help darwinism or ow ever the hell you spell it

also for lulz of stupid losses

also to move my alts empty ship when im to drunk to fly it

my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k

nop cant find it
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#29 - 2012-11-20 04:32:51 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Ocih wrote:
I know how you do it.
I don't want to stop you from doing it. That gives you an EVE is becoming trammel soap box to climb up on to. I want to make it harder.


So you know how we do it, but you also have no idea? How does that work exactly?
Also if it's so easy, why aren't more people doing it?


You make it seem complex.

EHP reduced by more dps than there is EHP = dead freighter.

Without Auto Pilot, you could still do this. You would never get a kill though if you did it docked at Autaris III.


Well the underlined part is obvious, but literally everything else you've said about ganking freighters is wrong.


Doesn't matter if I have it figured out. You do, you won;t mind if CCP remove Auto Pilot. You have it all figured out.

Why is it in the Game CCP?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-11-20 04:35:39 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Ocih wrote:
I know how you do it.
I don't want to stop you from doing it. That gives you an EVE is becoming trammel soap box to climb up on to. I want to make it harder.


So you know how we do it, but you also have no idea? How does that work exactly?
Also if it's so easy, why aren't more people doing it?


You make it seem complex.

EHP reduced by more dps than there is EHP = dead freighter.

Without Auto Pilot, you could still do this. You would never get a kill though if you did it docked at Autaris III.


Well the underlined part is obvious, but literally everything else you've said about ganking freighters is wrong.


Doesn't matter if I have it figured out. You do, you won;t mind if CCP remove Auto Pilot. You have it all figured out.

Why is it in the Game CCP?


People have a choice wether to use it or not. Autopiloting can be stupid, but it can also be quite safe. To be perfectly honest, autopiloting being removed would not make things harder at all, it would just make people less likely to actually want to haul.

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YuuKnow
The Scope
#31 - 2012-11-20 04:38:26 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Title says it all.

Why is this 'feature' still in the game?


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What purpose would there be in removing it?

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Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#32 - 2012-11-20 04:56:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Cutter Isaacson
I read this thread and literally the only thing that came to mind was "What is the OP on about?". This was further reinforced by reading his/her subsequent replies to other posters. Could the OP kindly explain in simple terms why they feel the Autopilot system needs removing?


EDIT: Just to add that my confusion may be due to lack of sleep, and the fact that I appear to have awoken at 5am, rather than anyone else being at fault Sad

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#33 - 2012-11-20 05:05:44 UTC
Ocih wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Highsec.

Using it in nullsec is suicide, and it's inadvisable in low.


It's suicide in high Sec too. You have the kill mails to prove it.

Yes, but it's every single players individual choice to provide that killmail.

And also because I like autopiloting in shuttles on some characters Smile.

Remove standings and insurance.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#34 - 2012-11-20 05:14:41 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
I read this thread and literally the only thing that came to mind was "What is the OP on about?". This was further reinforced by reading his/her subsequent replies to other posters. Could the OP kindly explain in simple terms why they feel the Autopilot system needs removing?


EDIT: Just to add that my confusion may be due to lack of sleep, and the fact that I appear to have awoken at 5am, rather than anyone else being at fault Sad


It's just another example of the EVE Doctrine.

Your failure is my Success. If nobody makes mistakes, EVE stops working. When your game requires stupid people to play, your game should fail.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#35 - 2012-11-20 05:30:20 UTC
Autopilot is destroying EVE!! remove it NAOW!

Meh, who cares? Just a leftover from pre-WTZ that a few still have some use for.
Sorry, rebel without a cause. *waves hand* you want to go home and rethink your life.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#36 - 2012-11-20 05:30:34 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
I read this thread and literally the only thing that came to mind was "What is the OP on about?". This was further reinforced by reading his/her subsequent replies to other posters. Could the OP kindly explain in simple terms why they feel the Autopilot system needs removing?


EDIT: Just to add that my confusion may be due to lack of sleep, and the fact that I appear to have awoken at 5am, rather than anyone else being at fault Sad


It's just another example of the EVE Doctrine.

Your failure is my Success. If nobody makes mistakes, EVE stops working. When your game requires stupid people to play, your game should fail.



Nope, it was definitely not my lack of sleep. Please clarify your reasons for wanting Autopilot removed.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#37 - 2012-11-20 05:45:16 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
I read this thread and literally the only thing that came to mind was "What is the OP on about?". This was further reinforced by reading his/her subsequent replies to other posters. Could the OP kindly explain in simple terms why they feel the Autopilot system needs removing?


EDIT: Just to add that my confusion may be due to lack of sleep, and the fact that I appear to have awoken at 5am, rather than anyone else being at fault Sad


It's just another example of the EVE Doctrine.

Your failure is my Success. If nobody makes mistakes, EVE stops working. When your game requires stupid people to play, your game should fail.



Nope, it was definitely not my lack of sleep. Please clarify your reasons for wanting Autopilot removed.


At this point it's centered around the objections I'm getting from Goons.
That's a clear sign it's good for everyone else.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#38 - 2012-11-20 05:45:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Rinn
One common assumption is that with Autopilot, other freighter pilots will accept far lower ISK per jump rewards for hauling junk. Thus the removal of autopilot will (it is believed) increase the ISK per jump that other pilots will accept, thus allowing “me” to be the only freighter pilot stupid enough to offer the lowest ISK/jump fees, thus allowing “me” to win more contracts.

This falls down the moment “me” realises that “me” is not the only freighter pilot married to space trucking, and thus willing to undercut other offers until business is won.

Another common assumption is that other freighter pilots are only willing to do Rens to Jita runs due to Autopilot, and that one's willingness to manually pilot a freighter from Rens to Jita and back should be allowed to work as a competitive advantage. Again, this belief is predicated that no one else out there is as stupid as the one who believes this.

One rule of EVE (and indeed real life) is that there is always someone willing to work more hours for less money than you.

Edit: it is a rule, not the rule.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-11-20 08:56:52 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Nope, it was definitely not my lack of sleep. Please clarify your reasons for wanting Autopilot removed.


At this point it's centered around the objections I'm getting from Goons.
That's a clear sign it's good for everyone else.


Except the part where it would affect everyone you're trying to help & we'd still be ganking freighters at the same frequency as before. This may shock you, but not all of the freighters killed are autopiloting.

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Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2012-11-20 09:00:55 UTC
Souisa wrote:
Probably wouldnt make sense to remove it



This. Also: It's a tarp.

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.