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What to fly after 4.december patch? (PvE)
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Teglhus
Celestial Combine
Celestial Combine Alliance
#1 - 2012-11-19 14:22:06 UTC
Hi,

Ive been training up to fly a Rattlesnake, passive shield tanked, with drones. My Rattle can tank any L4 mission without the need to change modules, or without the need to warp out. I fly with 4 cruiser missile turrets and drones, and are slowly but surely taking down any L4 mission, with me having agro'ed the whole room.

Now, with the upcomming change to NPC AI, and the rats now targeting the drones, I really dont want to do all the micromanaging of drones, to keep them alive.

What do you suggest I train up for? I hear Golem, Drake and other ships can "Melt L4 missions" .

I recently trained up for a Navy Raven, with cruiser missiles, and fittet modules for the mission (resistances), but I found myself warping in and out alot. So I went back to my trusty Rattle.

Now, can anyone please link me a "Melt L4 missions ship and fitting" - without the need of drones at all? :)

Thanks in advance.

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Angelina Joliee
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-11-19 14:53:18 UTC
If you dont want to micromanage drones, you need to fly t3-cruisers. Tengu.
All other ships have drones - at least 5 small ones that are needed to kill the frigates.
So every other ship that is not t3 will require micromanagement.

I for myself gonna try the micromanagement. Maybe i find some tricks to make that easier.
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#3 - 2012-11-19 15:08:40 UTC
Atm i fly shield incursion fit talos for lvl4's and rarely EVER use drones they to me are just plan b if i make mistake or something...cant see much micromanaging on my side.

All small stuff u can use small drones on also can be killed much more effectively using rack of guns/missiles.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Teglhus
Celestial Combine
Celestial Combine Alliance
#4 - 2012-11-19 15:14:17 UTC
Mina Sebiestar wrote:
Atm i fly shield incursion fit talos for lvl4's and rarely EVER use drones they to me are just plan b if i make mistake or something...cant see much micromanaging on my side.

All small stuff u can use small drones on also can be killed much more effectively using rack of guns/missiles.


Care to share fit? And how well do you L4, do you need to micromanage your modules to stay alive? :)

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Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#5 - 2012-11-19 15:50:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Zor'katar
I sometimes run a Vargur, and I rarely have to get the drones out... I primary frigates and can usually pop them before they get under my guns. I run a relatively lean tank, but can still omni-tank many missions. I do have to go mission-specific hardeners on some, but if you wanted, you could sacrifice a little flexibility in the mids for a stronger omni tank. If you don't want to deal with Marauder pre-reqs, I imagine the Machariel is much the same story.
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#6 - 2012-11-19 16:02:56 UTC
Teglhus wrote:
Mina Sebiestar wrote:
Atm i fly shield incursion fit talos for lvl4's and rarely EVER use drones they to me are just plan b if i make mistake or something...cant see much micromanaging on my side.

All small stuff u can use small drones on also can be killed much more effectively using rack of guns/missiles.


Care to share fit? And how well do you L4, do you need to micromanage your modules to stay alive? :)


Mind you i find missions ********(something that will NOT change 4th) and they are not my primary source of income by any means i just do them when agent is closer then 3 jumps from incursion area to change pace.

Vigilant - L4 blitz

Talos - L4 extreme

Talos - L4 extreme.

Now that happens often(not once did i warp out) and it should for ship w/o tank is to be expected but you may notice that on talos pic drones stayed in...

this is NOT mission setup ship Talos 8 guns shield extender dread gurista invul tracking comp prop mod

lows 2 faction mags 2 te dcu rigs one t2 burst rig 2 t1 em rig to bring omni rezist up for incursions.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#7 - 2012-11-19 22:52:37 UTC
If you wanna "melt them" kind of L4s ship I am surprised nobody mentioned Machariel yet. It is a meltmachine, at least in my opinion.

[Machariel, T2]

7x 800mm Repeating Artillery II (Phased Plasma L)

Experimental 100MN Afterburner I
X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
Explosive Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II (Navy Cap Booster 800)

Nanofiber Internal Structure II
3x Gyrostabilizer II
3x Tracking Enhancer II

Large Projectile Burst Aerator I
Large Ionic Field Projector I
Large Projectile Ambit Extension I

5x Hobgoblin II

805 dps guns, 530m/s with AB (can run perma), 360 dps tank (all on 5:25 of cap), targeting range 89km, falloff 64.5km, 6,68 sec align (10.21s with AB on)

This is what I use, hardeners according to rats. I use hobs because I don't really care about their damage, I pop frigs at range even if that means aggro or triggers. I can kite or close in and melt bigger stuff, frigs are always primary. Of course you can pimp it out but I don't see a reason for being gankmagnet.

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goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#8 - 2012-11-19 23:56:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Goldiiee
I use this for LVL4 missions setting the MWD to not auto repeat and pulse the XL shield booster only when i need 1000 or more repaired I do every LVL4 mision with relative ease.

I do 1350 DPS and acording to the fitting window it tanks 555 DPS.

'Angel Extrav' 12 minutes 'Worlds Collide' 15 Minutes- iirc

Locking up every frig on the field and spliting the guns into two groups nothing ever comes close enough to touch the tank in most cases. You should also be aware of exactly what the mission is some Like 'Stop the thief' are best done by warping in at 50 the spawn there will melt most anything at 0 and the scrams will make you sit and watch.

[Machariel, Mission mach]

7x 800mm Repeating Artillery II (Hail L)
Auto Targeting System II

Gist C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Gist C-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Sensor Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II

Damage Control II
4x Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
2x Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Core Defense Field Extender II
Large Projectile Ambit Extension II

Hail ammo 49km falloff, 4km optimal. 1357 dps
Barrage ammo 98km falloff, 8km optimal. 969 dps
RF Phased Plasma 65km falloff 4km optimal 1216 dps

Oh and keep a set of ECM drones in the drone bay. Shutting down a heavy DPS rat is an easy way to regain controll of a room gone mad.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Teglhus
Celestial Combine
Celestial Combine Alliance
#9 - 2012-11-21 13:06:11 UTC
Thanks girls! :)

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GenesisMike
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-11-25 00:07:20 UTC
Get appropriate sized launchers in the highs and pay attention to drones. You should be able to drop sentries next to you, kill everything and scoop/deploy drones as they take aggression. Sentries pop the small stuff while you blast the BS's. Rattlesnake should still be very viable and the management of your drones along with target selection can keep the missions fun.

Otherwise give me your Rattler :)

Mike
Marius Quizo
Tactical Waste Management
#11 - 2012-11-25 04:15:17 UTC
I have found that i don't like battleships. So Ive been searching for good alternatives, and i think i have found it. I Run a Sleipnir with AC and depending on what the mission is i might run it with Arty. With my skills i get 800 DPS out to like 50km, and it has enough tank to do any lvl4 i have run into.

Good luck trying to figure it out. But yes i don't like the tank of battleships.