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Qin Tawate
Doomheim
#441 - 2012-11-19 18:44:14 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Qin Tawate wrote:
To make you mad? Like say the whole Vile Rat incident has some irony in it, that he was a leading member in an alliance in Eve, who likes to do Jihad in High Sec and then he got killed in RL by Jihadists in his supposed to be save diplomacy. Then said alliance renamed their stations RIP Vile Rat ... no double standards...neverever.. P

Did you just compare a game to real-life murder and zealotry? Are you quite sure you want to go down that path?

No, there is no double standard at play.


Yes, I did. Why not? Isnt that the purpose of answering in this whole thread - make other guys mad? FYI even CNN saw a connection. So there is probably one ...

Tippia wrote:
I wonder how long it will take before Enderailen becomes a standard landing spot for JFs trying to bypass the whole Niarja-Uedama-Urlen triangle.


So you are saying, going through Low Sec in a Jump freighter is saver than using the High sec route? I agree. At this point, you should start to think, like wait a second... instead I just see you spam hundreds of posts full of nothingness
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#442 - 2012-11-19 18:46:21 UTC
Qin Tawate wrote:
Yes, I did. Why not? Isnt that the purpose of answering in this whole thread - make other guys mad? FYI even CNN saw a connection. So there is probably one ...

No, there isn't. Leave this thread.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Mag's
Azn Empire
#443 - 2012-11-19 18:51:42 UTC
Qin Tawate wrote:
Yes, I did. Why not? Isnt that the purpose of answering in this whole thread - make other guys mad? FYI even CNN saw a connection. So there is probably one ...
There isn't and I hope your bad judgement in even mentioning it, has consequences.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Qin Tawate
Doomheim
#444 - 2012-11-19 18:52:41 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Qin Tawate wrote:
Yes, I did. Why not? Isnt that the purpose of answering in this whole thread - make other guys mad? FYI even CNN saw a connection. So there is probably one ...

No, there isn't. Leave this thread.


are you mad? Why cant you see the irony? He could have saved little children or save some cute, little animals in his spare time for real. Instead he played a game, in which his alliance is the biggest player in suicide ganking and Jihadism.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#445 - 2012-11-19 18:53:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Qin Tawate wrote:
Yes, I did. Why not?
Seek help.
There are excellent pharmaceutical and therapeutic solutions to your problem. You should get them before you hurt yourself or the people around you.

Quote:
Why cant you see the irony?
Because there is none outside of your dementend mind that cannot separate fantasy from reality.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#446 - 2012-11-19 18:56:16 UTC
Qin Tawate wrote:
are you mad?
I am and I'm not ashamed to say so. Get out of this thread, you worthless piece of faecal matter.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Ghazu
#447 - 2012-11-19 18:56:56 UTC
Qin Tawate wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Qin Tawate wrote:
Yes, I did. Why not? Isnt that the purpose of answering in this whole thread - make other guys mad? FYI even CNN saw a connection. So there is probably one ...

No, there isn't. Leave this thread.


are you mad? Why cant you see the irony? He could have saved little children or save some cute, little animals in his spare time for real. Instead he played a game, in which his alliance is the biggest player in suicide ganking and Jihadism.

Enjoy this, as it's about the only you have going.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Lorna Mood
P.I.E.
#448 - 2012-11-19 19:01:07 UTC
I do hope the mods clean up the willy waving so that the substance of this thread, which is important, can be discussed rather than the silly name calling and mine is bigger than yours stuff which is quite frankly just boring.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#449 - 2012-11-19 19:01:14 UTC
Qin Tawate wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Qin Tawate wrote:
To make you mad? Like say the whole Vile Rat incident has some irony in it, that he was a leading member in an alliance in Eve, who likes to do Jihad in High Sec and then he got killed in RL by Jihadists in his supposed to be save diplomacy. Then said alliance renamed their stations RIP Vile Rat ... no double standards...neverever.. P

Did you just compare a game to real-life murder and zealotry? Are you quite sure you want to go down that path?

No, there is no double standard at play.


Yes, I did. Why not? Isnt that the purpose of answering in this whole thread - make other guys mad? FYI even CNN saw a connection. So there is probably one ...

Tippia wrote:
I wonder how long it will take before Enderailen becomes a standard landing spot for JFs trying to bypass the whole Niarja-Uedama-Urlen triangle.


So you are saying, going through Low Sec in a Jump freighter is saver than using the High sec route? I agree. At this point, you should start to think, like wait a second... instead I just see you spam hundreds of posts full of nothingness

You're one of the people that contributes to the bad reputation that EVE gets.

You're regurgitating the same bullcrap nonsense I see posted on gaming forums by people that don't even play the game. Geez, I wonder where they get the idea from. Couldn't possibly be you guys that decided to play an MMO built around the concept of players blowing up and building each others ships and then crying up a storm about how people are sociapathic assholes that just want to cause trauma to other people.

You sir, need to get out of the game. Those rediculous ******* comparisons have no place here, and those of you that insist on constantly using such comparisons have no place in EVE. You're a cancer, bad for the community, and the game itself.

Also, the hollier than thou attitude is complete ****. If you want to draw comparisons to peoples actions in a game and how they MUST be in real life, then one could do the same by looking at how you chose to quantify people in a video game and say that you must not be a very good person in real life; the sort that will go door to door and condemn your neighbor for not sharing the same views and beliefs you do.

It's a frigging game dude. Grow up. If you can't handle it then you need to find a new hobby.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#450 - 2012-11-19 19:10:04 UTC
Harbingour wrote:
Two hours of bumping should be considered griefing, harassment, or being stuck. I suggest next time after 30 minutes file a stuck petition & CCP should be required to emergency warp you out so you can get on with your life

"help daddy ccp I got myself in a bit of a pickle can you please help me save my ship"

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Alara IonStorm
#451 - 2012-11-19 19:11:20 UTC
I been looking for something to say to the creep...

There is none, he is just missing the empathy drive for anything besides space pixels.

Holding life sacred isn't a weakness, it is how good society is made.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#452 - 2012-11-19 19:12:35 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
FDIC Agent wrote:
My corp and I recently encountered a group of suicide gankers. Knowing we needed to move a freighter ourselves we explored several options.

  1. Make sure the cargo was only a couple (2-3) billion worth in goods.
  2. Avoid known hot spots according to kill boards.
  3. Escort the freighter with scouts.
  4. Bring along a few ECM ships to try and minimize the incoming damage.
  5. Pay attention to local for anyone that is known to be with suicide ganker gangs.

In the end we still lost the freighter to a log on trap. When the frighter landed on the gate a suicide gang was landing on it from all directions and did not come from any of the other systems, we know because we had scouts in all directions. When they landed they engaged and forced our freighter to jump the gate or die. We tried to ECM some, but they had far too much DPS. And of course the other group was on the other side of the gate to finish off the freighter, logging in as well.

So kindly take all your advice on how these things are avoidable and shove them directly up your basement dwelling fat ass! X

I QUIT!


Excuse me, why all that effort when you could have just done 2-3 trips with no escort and not have been ganked?

Right this morning I have dual boxed 2 freighters to Jita 3-4 times each, full of stuff and nobody cared to kill them. It was just worthless to kill so little value they carried.

But that would mean, people have to make an effort to be safe. That's not the right way of thinking. Players are entitled to be safe in HS, no matter what!

In no way am I advocating things need to be made safer in high sec, but it sounds like the guy and his buddies did put forth a lot of effort to transport a couple billion in stuff. In one reply to his post one of you ask why did he go through all that effort and in the next another implied they didn't put forth any effort. So which one is it? I laugh at the autopilot afk freighters being ganked, but the ones who actually did make a genuine effort to do it right still getting killed is a bit disheartening.

That was just a little bit of irony.

Marlona Sky wrote:
In all honestly it sounds like freighter ganking is a very rapid growing trend and people are no longer targeting high value targets, but just ganking to gank. Profit be damned.

I've repeatedly seen freighter kill mails during the last months, showing 20-40 billion isk worth of cargo with drops worth 10 to 20 billion isk.

Currently a well organized freighter gank seems to cost some 500m. This is about a 3:1 ratio taking the freighter cost into account and this looks like a reasonable risk. Even if the ratio was 1:1, a freighter full of trit would be a lucrative target. CCP cannot really balance freighter gank costs against the potential cargo value. That's the players job.

As long as people are silly enough to feed gankers with large amounts of isk by hauling tens of billions in a single freighter trip (or even single billions), gankers will make enough money to gank for the lulz, if the are inclined to do so. And they will always be able to argue with CCP, that they're doing it for profit.

Remove standings and insurance.
Lorna Mood
P.I.E.
#453 - 2012-11-19 19:13:20 UTC
*sigh* this thread just re-inforces my decision to be a solo player in this game.

You guys are all just way too intelligent and balanced for me Roll
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#454 - 2012-11-19 19:15:21 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Lost one Charon full of trit yesterday.

Still waiting on that killmail.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#455 - 2012-11-19 19:17:00 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Harbingour wrote:
Two hours of bumping should be considered griefing, harassment, or being stuck. I suggest next time after 30 minutes file a stuck petition & CCP should be required to emergency warp you out so you can get on with your life

"help daddy ccp I got myself in a bit of a pickle can you please help me save my ship"

I was going to reply to this, but responding to that other idiot made me forget about it entirely.

But if you're getting bumped for an extended period of time, just log off... your ship will disappear in 60 seconds.
Easy.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Dave stark
#456 - 2012-11-19 19:17:15 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Lost one Charon full of trit yesterday.

Still waiting on that killmail.

christmas will come sooner.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#457 - 2012-11-19 19:18:09 UTC
Qin Tawate wrote:


So you are saying, going through Low Sec in a Jump freighter is saver than using the High sec route?


It is if you want to transport 20+ billion in cargo without us inspecting it and applying the stupid tax.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#458 - 2012-11-19 19:18:42 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Lost one Charon full of trit yesterday.

Still waiting on that killmail.

christmas will come sooner.

So will 2015.

But hey, if there's anything the recent election should have taught everyone, it's that lying is the fastest and easiest way to convince people you're right and that your problem is real when it isn't.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#459 - 2012-11-19 19:18:47 UTC
Lorna Mood wrote:
To summarise this whole thread in a few lines for those that can't be assed to read it, and ignoring the childish unoriginal stuff (ie 'tears'. 'stop whining', 'fly what you can afford to lose', 'hi sec isnt safe', bla bla bla......

Some people think that utilising the bump mechanic (note utilising not exploiting) to kill freighters like fish in a barrel is not Eve working as intended.

Soem people think this is working entirely as intended and all freighter pilots that use a freighter for its intended purpose ie to carry high volumes of goods are just stupid.

So instead of putting stuff in a freighter once a month or so I now have to either use a fraction of its cargo space and make multiple trips or use a different ship and errr.... make multiple trips.

As a casual player for the past six years that pays the same game fee as the 24/7 dudes that put so much time and effort into trying to kill me I simply cannot be bothered to do that. I like Eve but I'm really not into it so much that it starts to feel like a job.

There are a lot of players like me and if enough of them put in sub cancellations like I have done then perhaps CCP will fix the bump mechanic or give notification that it's being looked at. If they don't then I really don't care because my sub will be up by then.


All of that to say "make EVE safer for me or i'll unsub and tell my bros to unsub too!". In other words, the time honored "Appeal to CCPs wallet" lol.

So, is their any reason you can't either get another account and spend the matter of HOURS it would take to train it to up webs and a ship with a web range bonus ,fleet up and web your self through empire (or make ONE FRIEND to do it for you), effectively denying gankers much chance to gank you? I do so with an alt in a Rapier

Or is that too much effort?

This is the problem with Hi-sec CCP, you've allowed your own players to believe that AFK everything (totally unmolested) and NOT making friends in this MMO is some kind of RIGHT they are entitled to.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#460 - 2012-11-19 19:19:56 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Lost one Charon full of trit yesterday.

Still waiting on that killmail.

Lol

Remove standings and insurance.