EVE General Discussion

Positively. fly what you have trained for.



Yes, this is the vet mentality. "Why didn't this guy just ask me for help?"



Was never an ignorant window licker. Always asked if I didn't know. Always learned from mentors and vets. I actually have friends that will help me out if lost.


Now, you've really lost the plot with the personal attack here.

You're saying I despise people that undock in ships they can't fit / fly yet as they are in a rush to be a body on the battle field (objective, 100% to **** up the overview).

Wrong. I "Despair" and "pity" them for having no one to help them suggest the correct ship to bring to be useful.

People that push words into others mouths end up with no teeth. You're probably well aware of this mind you.

haha Wow you're really starting to pop that vein out of your forehead lol

What a reply.

Alternatively you could train those 1000 window lickers to know their ship and role and you would be near unstoppable.

The old people are quitting because CCP hasn't given us anything new for years. Our game is stagnant. Supercapitals were the last "big veteran addition" and since then, it's only been ships for smelly newbies that take two weeks tops to get into.

We veterans want subcap uberships for people with 100m SP or more. I'm approaching 150 million and have ZERO desire to use any of it, because all I can fly is the same crap any other newbie can fly, except, more of that crap. More crap is not a selling point.

I've played just about every MMO under the sun, from UO to Darkfall and Mortal online; with the rare exception damn near every one of them is a single player online game. There are very few MMO's you will play that encourage any kind of player interaction, and the ones that do require you to interact with other players tend to be **** games.

Mortal Online and Face of Mankind are the two that jump out at me most as requiring you to interact with other players or the community at large. I have yet to play a themepark MMO sinse '04 that you couldn't play for years alone, completely ingnoring every other person on the server unless you CHOOSE to do the "group content".

EVE is different and yet the same. If you want to bore the **** out of yourself, and quit after a couple of months, you can indeed play the game like it's a single player internet spaceship game; yet at some point you'll be required to interact with another player thanks to the economy.

Taking to, and interacting with, are not he same thing. You can play most MMO without ever talking to a single person if you so choose. I rarely ever talk in EVE, yet I'm interacting with people damn near every minute. Most MMO's don't require you to to either, some will only require you to do one or the other, and very few -only 2 that I can think of off hand, MO and FoM- will require you to do both at some point.

People who are antisocial in EVE are the same way in every other MMO they've played, and they're likely the same people that jump from one game to the next over and over, and very likely ***** about how the last game they played sucked.

EVE is the exception in the genre, not the rule.

Soloing in EVE is no more fun or boring, really, than any other MMO you can play; entirely subjective. Talking to people is a choice, and not something that the very vast majority of MMO's ever require you to do; EVE actually requires more than most in fact when participating in "group" content. Interaction is a must due to the nature of the economy; even if it's not "direct" interaction.

To say that EVE is unlike most MMO's because you don't have to talk is wrong, that IS most MMO's. However, EVE is unlike most MMO's because it's far more community driven than damn near every other MMO on the market. EVE is slowing turning into the template that other developers are trying to use to build their sandboxes.

A community driven experience that requires you to interact in some way with others, without forcing people to "group" for content; which is what games like Mortal Online and Darkfall attempt to achieve with little success.

Yes, EVE is "unlike most MMO's", but not because you can solo and never talk to anyone; this you can do in pretty much every single MMO on the market today.

then 110k must be going in the shredder....

I remember if u dubble clicked in space you warped till your cap ran out :) I have seen the edge of eve the black space with a grid lines

was cool to see wish I still had that BM lol

First, as for the OP's question, I think there might be some neat graphs on the topic in the old fanfest economy talks, but they risk being a bit out of date.
Well, highsec was actually kind of dangerous and you ran the risk of being ganked, for one…

Yes. The thing is, though, that “being able to fly effectively” is something far larger than just SP.

You can fly pretty much anything in the game (except maybe caps) effectively with a shockingly low amount of SP if you know what you're doing — even more so if you've been clever about how you've placed those SP. Most of comes down to picking what you can use, fitting it properly, not spazzing out on comms, and do what you're there to do. None of that has to do with being a vet; all of it has to do with keeping your facial features away from panes of glass.

Tbh, a lot of the problems new players in EVE face can be traced back to the newbie corps and the horrible advice that gets bounced around there: “train all to V before flying X”; “don't go into low/null until you have Y SP”; “you can't catch up” and so on. Forget hulkageddon and the odd freighter gank — none of which affects newbies anyway — the real griefing in EVE is what goes on in those NPC corp channels.

The only one I can think of is Planetside, and like EVE, it had a premise and a gameplay that scared off a lot of people pretty much for that reason: because it was really difficult to “hide” in it an do anything even remotely meaningful. Even grinding BEP in the zerg with no consideration of any kind of tactical or strategic aim required you to constantly take into account what the players around you were doing and act accordingly.

I don't get this whole "catching up" thing either.

I can't fit a BS to fly appropriately, so I don't. I can however build, invent, buy, and sell a crapton of things; very efficiently. My alt can fly and fit several T2 ships; with T2 mods very effectively. (Edit: I can also fly freighters and could fly JFers in like a week if I wanted.)

My alt can also mine and use T2 mods very efficiently in a mack.
She's like 5 months old or so.


I feel like because there aren't "levels" that people can measure themselves by, they seem to think that 3 months is a long time to do something effectively. It takes most people about that long to get to "end game" in most MMO's, and then you grind "end game" for the next few years.

A corp is not the same thing as a guild in other MMO's. Corps that have a minimum SP requirement to join may have a need to have such a rule, but not all of them do; not all are even worth joining. Every person playing EVE can find a corp to join, you only choose not to.

"Catching up" is not a valid excuse to not play EVE.

I think you're dreaming.....


Have you joined an NPC corp lately? Nothing like an indication of alts when you have 100+ people in channel, and no one is saying a word. Or one person is, and he's not getting any response.
If new people are really joining this game, 90% of them are apparently quitting after the first month......

Being a n00b player (about 3 months), I can give some insight to this, I think.

Its simple perception mixed with (curable) ignorance. I wasn't really put off, thinking I'd never catch up, but looking back, I could see where it could be the case. New players, myself included, see SP as one gigantic, ever increasing 'ability'. Not an ever increasing possible combination of abilities. Helping new players see that is the key, IMHO.

When I started it was, get to 1,000,000 SP, then 2,000,0000, etc... Now, couldn't tell you what the # is, but I do have and idea to the amount of time I have on my skill plan.

For instance, I have a couple accounts, so I can actively train and dabble in different activities. The last one I created, this one, is fast becoming my favorite. There's only about 3 weeks dif in the character ages. The first two can fly cruisers and battle-cruisers, but not well. Nor can I afford to replace too many drakes, so I stick to missioning with them. So, the fly around, carebearing away, working on more specific skills.

About the time this characters got to destroyers, I 'got it', I think. So, I got 'decent' at destroyers, picked a fit and went into low to rat-away. And lost about a dozen ships. All the while, training for cov-ops. Now, I'm 'barely' in a Buzzard, but have worked my into null. Then was promptly given the pod-express back by some guys who wanted to help me make a better fit for it. Still honing the skills for cov-ops and exploring.

Now my goals aren't 'get to x SP' they are 'find a good corp where I can learn this and put cov-opts to use'.

I had a point to this.... well, the first 2 paragraphs attempt one. Not sure on the latter.