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Shadowschild
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#421 - 2012-11-19 16:54:19 UTC
The answer is simple.
Don't autopilot freighters full of isk.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#422 - 2012-11-19 16:55:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Il Feytid
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
FDIC Agent wrote:
My corp and I recently encountered a group of suicide gankers. Knowing we needed to move a freighter ourselves we explored several options.

  1. Make sure the cargo was only a couple (2-3) billion worth in goods.
  2. Avoid known hot spots according to kill boards.
  3. Escort the freighter with scouts.
  4. Bring along a few ECM ships to try and minimize the incoming damage.
  5. Pay attention to local for anyone that is known to be with suicide ganker gangs.

In the end we still lost the freighter to a log on trap. When the frighter landed on the gate a suicide gang was landing on it from all directions and did not come from any of the other systems, we know because we had scouts in all directions. When they landed they engaged and forced our freighter to jump the gate or die. We tried to ECM some, but they had far too much DPS. And of course the other group was on the other side of the gate to finish off the freighter, logging in as well.

So kindly take all your advice on how these things are avoidable and shove them directly up your basement dwelling fat ass! X

I QUIT!


Excuse me, why all that effort when you could have just done 2-3 trips with no escort and not have been ganked?

Right this morning I have dual boxed 2 freighters to Jita 3-4 times each, full of stuff and nobody cared to kill them. It was just worthless to kill so little value they carried.

But that would mean, people have to make an effort to be safe. That's not the right way of thinking. Players are entitled to be safe in HS, no matter what!

In no way am I advocating things need to be made safer in high sec, but it sounds like the guy and his buddies did put forth a lot of effort to transport a couple billion in stuff. In one reply to his post one of you ask why did he go through all that effort and in the next another implied they didn't put forth any effort. So which one is it? I laugh at the autopilot afk freighters being ganked, but the ones who actually did make a genuine effort to do it right still getting killed is a bit disheartening.

In all honestly it sounds like freighter ganking is a very rapid growing trend and people are no longer targeting high value targets, but just ganking to gank. Profit be damned.
Ghazu
#423 - 2012-11-19 16:57:55 UTC
We had more dudes or something.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Mire Stoude
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#424 - 2012-11-19 17:02:25 UTC
These people who are losing freighters aren't 2 week old newbies. If they have been around long enough to afford a freighter (and fill it up with nice stuff) they should know of the dangers of Eve.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#425 - 2012-11-19 17:11:03 UTC
Mire Stoude wrote:
These people who are losing freighters aren't 2 week old newbies. If they have been around long enough to afford a freighter (and fill it up with nice stuff) they should know of the dangers of Eve.

Maybe I'm too old, but two billion in stuff that requires a freighter to move doesn't exactly sound like nice stuff. Lol
Dave stark
#426 - 2012-11-19 17:12:53 UTC
Tippia wrote:
I wonder how long it will take before Enderailen becomes a standard landing spot for JFs trying to bypass the whole Niarja-Uedama-Urlen triangle.


i wonder how long every plastic wrapped hauling freighter is popped on the off chance it's worth something.
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#427 - 2012-11-19 17:18:56 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Riddick Liddell wrote:

It isn't about EHP. It's about bump mechanics. Speaking of Hello Kittie, not like Bumping someone to death isn't as fruity as it gets.

What are you talking about? This thread isn't about bumping at all it is about Freighter Ganking.


Ugghh just lost all respect for you here. I hope your trolling and not that stupid to understand how they are doing it.
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#428 - 2012-11-19 17:19:23 UTC
Q_Q post again. Holy crap why ? because you lost something Ugh Its eve online not WoW deal with it. Stop making this QQ post. People please stop it. You will not getting your stuff back. Or "buff" high sec because its "save". Its not.

End discusion topic /c
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#429 - 2012-11-19 17:34:34 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
i wonder how long every plastic wrapped hauling freighter is popped on the off chance it's worth something.
That will depend on how many start to double-wrap even nigh-worthless stuff (on the scale of things). If no-one does that, wraps just signal that you're carrying something valuable, at which point it'll be worth the 50/50-gamble on making it drop.

…and by the looks of things so far, it's more a case of the latter: it's far more likely to be valuable and people like to gamble every now and then.
Dave stark
#430 - 2012-11-19 17:40:56 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
i wonder how long every plastic wrapped hauling freighter is popped on the off chance it's worth something.
That will depend on how many start to double-wrap even nigh-worthless stuff (on the scale of things). If no-one does that, wraps just signal that you're carrying something valuable, at which point it'll be worth the 50/50-gamble on making it drop.

…and by the looks of things so far, it's more a case of the latter: it's far more likely to be valuable and people like to gamble every now and then.


it can be a new game, we shall call it "freighter roulette!" (original, i know)
Alara IonStorm
#431 - 2012-11-19 17:56:56 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:

What are you talking about? This thread isn't about bumping at all it is about Freighter Ganking.

Ugghh just lost all respect for you here. I hope your trolling and not that stupid to understand how they are doing it.

I can do without your respect. Yes I know you can hold a Freighter in place with bumping, it was a deal a while ago of with people ransoming them to allow them to warp. You can hold it in place with suicide points as well. Removing bumping won't stop Freighter Ganking at all, just a tactic change.
Qin Tawate
Doomheim
#432 - 2012-11-19 18:01:53 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
McBorsk wrote:
Could change Nijara and Uedama to 0.9.


Why?


To make you mad? Like say the whole Vile Rat incident has some irony in it, that he was a leading member in an alliance in Eve, who likes to do Jihad in High Sec and then he got killed in RL by Jihadists in his supposed to be save diplomacy. Then said alliance renamed their stations RIP Vile Rat ... no double standards...neverever.. P
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#433 - 2012-11-19 18:09:15 UTC
Qin Tawate wrote:
To make you mad? Like say the whole Vile Rat incident has some irony in it, that he was a leading member in an alliance in Eve, who likes to do Jihad in High Sec and then he got killed in RL by Jihadists in his supposed to be save diplomacy. Then said alliance renamed their stations RIP Vile Rat ... no double standards...neverever.. P

Did you just compare a game to real-life murder and zealotry? Are you quite sure you want to go down that path?

No, there is no double standard at play.
Lorna Mood
P.I.E.
#434 - 2012-11-19 18:26:23 UTC
To summarise this whole thread in a few lines for those that can't be assed to read it, and ignoring the childish unoriginal stuff (ie 'tears'. 'stop whining', 'fly what you can afford to lose', 'hi sec isnt safe', bla bla bla......

Some people think that utilising the bump mechanic (note utilising not exploiting) to kill freighters like fish in a barrel is not Eve working as intended.

Soem people think this is working entirely as intended and all freighter pilots that use a freighter for its intended purpose ie to carry high volumes of goods are just stupid.

So instead of putting stuff in a freighter once a month or so I now have to either use a fraction of its cargo space and make multiple trips or use a different ship and errr.... make multiple trips.

As a casual player for the past six years that pays the same game fee as the 24/7 dudes that put so much time and effort into trying to kill me I simply cannot be bothered to do that. I like Eve but I'm really not into it so much that it starts to feel like a job.

There are a lot of players like me and if enough of them put in sub cancellations like I have done then perhaps CCP will fix the bump mechanic or give notification that it's being looked at. If they don't then I really don't care because my sub will be up by then.
Harbingour
EVE Corporation 690846961
#435 - 2012-11-19 18:26:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Harbingour
Ioci wrote:

It took 2 hrs to get everyone together to kill the Freighter.

Take that fleet to Null, mulitply it by 30, the Fenrir can't stand up for more than 30 seconds under focus fire, I'm supposed to think anything I can fly will?

Sorry CCP, I lost all faith tonight. The blob just has too much projection. We can't stand up to it. I surrender.



Two hours of bumping should be considered griefing, harassment, or being stuck. I suggest next time after 30 minutes file a stuck petition & CCP should be required to emergency warp you out so you can get on with your life
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Ghazu
#436 - 2012-11-19 18:29:33 UTC
Qin Tawate wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
McBorsk wrote:
Could change Nijara and Uedama to 0.9.


Why?


To make you mad? Like say the whole Vile Rat incident has some irony in it, that he was a leading member in an alliance in Eve, who likes to do Jihad in High Sec and then he got killed in RL by Jihadists in his supposed to be save diplomacy. Then said alliance renamed their stations RIP Vile Rat ... no double standards...neverever.. P

Wow you are really a piece of ****.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Harbingour
EVE Corporation 690846961
#437 - 2012-11-19 18:29:35 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Qin Tawate wrote:
To make you mad? Like say the whole Vile Rat incident has some irony in it, that he was a leading member in an alliance in Eve, who likes to do Jihad in High Sec and then he got killed in RL by Jihadists in his supposed to be save diplomacy. Then said alliance renamed their stations RIP Vile Rat ... no double standards...neverever.. P

Did you just compare a game to real-life murder and zealotry? Are you quite sure you want to go down that path?

.


No Goons never before have used such tactics themselves Roll
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Ghazu
#438 - 2012-11-19 18:31:03 UTC
Harbingour wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Qin Tawate wrote:
To make you mad? Like say the whole Vile Rat incident has some irony in it, that he was a leading member in an alliance in Eve, who likes to do Jihad in High Sec and then he got killed in RL by Jihadists in his supposed to be save diplomacy. Then said alliance renamed their stations RIP Vile Rat ... no double standards...neverever.. P

Did you just compare a game to real-life murder and zealotry? Are you quite sure you want to go down that path?

.


No Goons never before have used such tactics themselves Roll

Hey darthuseless, gtfo.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#439 - 2012-11-19 18:41:47 UTC
Qin Tawate wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
McBorsk wrote:
Could change Nijara and Uedama to 0.9.


Why?


To make you mad? Like say the whole Vile Rat incident has some irony in it, that he was a leading member in an alliance in Eve, who likes to do Jihad in High Sec and then he got killed in RL by Jihadists in his supposed to be save diplomacy. Then said alliance renamed their stations RIP Vile Rat ... no double standards...neverever.. P

Are you really that spiteful and stupid? How dare you even suggest that there's any connection between someone's behavior in a video game and their violent death at the hands of religious extremists?

I think, needless to say, if you had been one of those officials killed in Benghazi nobody would have been renaming stations after you.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#440 - 2012-11-19 18:43:17 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
I thought that double wrap thing didn't work?

Double wrapping does hide the items in the inner container. CCP wants to change that and seeing the tears in this thread it would be better they did it sooner.

Looks like Goons take the risk and gank freighters with double wrapped cargo, if they have some more or less solid suspicion (intel) on the contents.

Remove standings and insurance.