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Paid name Change and Corp history removal?

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#101 - 2012-11-19 00:07:14 UTC
Regardless of ownership. Each character in the game has a history. If you don't want a tainted one then either keep a clean slate, or take ownership (buy a character) appropriately.

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Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#102 - 2012-11-19 02:07:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Fronkfurter McSheebleton
I would be in favor of granting a name change to a character that gets sold, but not wiping corp history and adding a list of prior names. Seems the reasonable thing to do, IMO.

edit: Perhaps even a little note that shows when it got sold...?

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#103 - 2012-11-19 02:44:50 UTC
That would remove consequences for your actions so no.

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Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#104 - 2012-11-19 03:03:43 UTC
Anything that affects/clears a character's history in regards to past actions is a big nono, and if you want to buy a character with a decent name and no questionable background then you'll have to search and pay a bit more.
Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions
#105 - 2012-11-19 07:44:46 UTC
Diesel47 wrote:

Why would the character's reputation matter for the new owner? Unless it is a bad rep.
If somebody has a rep as a good PvPer, and the new owner is a carebear... doesn't make sense.


because atm having a good rep means your character is worth more.
If people can drop the history and the name, it means a character doesnt lose value anymore if you use him for being a smacktalking corp thiefing *****.

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daninjanomad
The INEXTREMIS Temp
#106 - 2012-11-19 08:12:30 UTC  |  Edited by: daninjanomad
if it hasnt been said here already

in the history - could there be a line that shows a name change 'from' and 'to'

that way corp bosses can ask the questions if they wish on previous names and will know of swaps on toons to check those periods in its life

... imo ONLY on toon sales as well and by the seller in the transfer area as part of the sale process ?? or the buyer on 1st logon of that toon ??

OH .. and what about past toon sales/trades ... will there be an ability to change a name of a toon i bought for the skills and just decided to live with the crap name ... i can imagine a bit of a mess there

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#107 - 2012-11-19 08:21:32 UTC
I don't know. Changing ones name and wiping the corp history is a bad idea even if you are selling the character. Otherwise a player would just sell the character to themselves to wipe the history.

Moreover, I think you should not be able to biomass a character who has a bounty on them with the new bounty system coming up. Make them get a new account all together instead of wasting people's bounty isk.

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Angmar Udate
#108 - 2012-11-19 11:15:34 UTC
Nope against changing name / removal of corp history. For various reason, that I am sure are mentioned in the thread.
I do think CCP should mark in corp history when a character changed hands / accounts.
EglantinFinfleur
Ecpyrosis
#109 - 2012-11-19 11:48:13 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.

Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile




That makes a lot of sense, especially in a game that heavily condones the use of alts to escape reputation smudges and retribution.

Great doubletalk there.
Wodensun
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#110 - 2012-11-19 13:49:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Wodensun
Perhaps make a entry in the corp history showing the name change so that players looking at the character know the name has been changed but can still see the previous corp history?

something along the lines of :

CURRENT CORPORATION
ZeroSec [0 SEC] from 2011.07.19 17:25 to this day

CONCORD SANCTIONED NAME CHANGE: 2011.07.18 13:25

PREVIOUS CORPORATION(S)
Caldari Provisions [CP] from 2011.07.19 17:19 to 2011.07.19 17:25.

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Galactic Rangers
#111 - 2012-11-19 14:03:00 UTC
Having a name change and a one click to see true history is a non runner really because scammers would be all over this like a fat kid on cake. unless CCP actualy condones this kind of,,,, oh wait a minute,,, forget it,,, Roll silly me

I thought selling chars was against the rules anyway?
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#112 - 2012-11-19 14:06:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Cutter Isaacson
There is only one response to this suggestion:

Caveat Emptor.

There are numerous ways of checking a characters past history; from checking the forums to contacting previous corps. and checking killboards. The wealth of information available with even the most rudimentary of searches should be enough to uncover all but the most well hidden of wrong doings.

This is one of the fundamental reasons for the existence of strict rules on the Character Bazaar sub-forum; Sellers are required to disclose sec status, wallet status and to send a corp wide eve-mail when ever a character is sold off. If a potential buyer has any concerns regarding the truthfulness or completeness of the sellers claims, then the checks I mentioned above should alert them in plenty of time to retract any bids.

EVE grants its players a considerable amount of leeway when it comes to character name choice and in-game activities. So if you find that Logi pilot you like with all the right skills who has the name xXBawls Deep90Xx (just an example off the top of my head), and who has been kicked from 20 corps. for being a thief, don't cry for unnecessary changes to the game, just suck it up and find a different character. With any luck it might stop people from choosing such idiotic names in future when they realise they can't sell it.

tl;dr No name changes for ISK, PLEX or cash, same for corp. history removal.

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Laurence Pinkitin
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2012-11-19 14:56:09 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.

Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile



while i'd love to be able to change the name of a purchased character as some way to signify it has a new owner, at the same time it'd be too easy for people to abuse it.

the cost and hassle of a character transfer is nothing in comparison to effectively erasing an entire character's history, even if you can see past aliases since very few people would really bother to check.

i think it has more drawbacks than benefits, personally.

edit: where would it stop? if you can change your name, why not your corp history, etc.


Oh, I see your point completely.

It's hard to distinguish where the line would be, and on a personal level I wouldn't support being able to erase or modify a character's corporation history at all. Your history of employment in EVE should always be your character's legacy, and you should on that basis pick and choose whom you work for carefully.

There's some good points being brought forward in this thread Cool


I think a name change and removing corp history is a good idea for characters that have been transferred to a different account. There would need to be some checks and balances though such as a IP check , a review by CCP before its allowable and other unknown stuff.
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#114 - 2012-11-19 15:52:11 UTC
Can someone Delete Alice and GIve me the name :P

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#115 - 2012-11-19 16:12:20 UTC
ISD Praetoxx wrote:


It seems to be a topic that comes up again and again.


If CCP did the right thing and made characters acct bound, this topic would stop coming up.

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Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#116 - 2012-11-19 16:38:06 UTC
Personally, I think getting a name change and a history wipe is perfectly legit no matter if it is abused or not. It's kinf of like the real world in some regards. Get in over your head with the wrong crowd, fake your death and and create a new identity. I know the whole faking your "death" is a little difficult with the concept of clones. Creating a new identity is just as simple as knowing the right people or knowing how to work the system in your favor.

If someone abuses this for corporate espionage, so what? It's EVE, anything goes. If you fall for the scam, then you're the sucker.

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Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#117 - 2012-11-19 16:48:45 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.

Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile


I don't know about the rest, but I personally feel this idea is pants-on-head stupid! If (as per OP) a toon is un-sellable due to in-game actions - that is the consequence!

If the buyer has a problem with buying a known corp-scammer, point them back to the thread where you bought it.

Seems simple and legit to me.

Changing name/corp history would just cater to those scammers.

I have a toon on one account that does *nothing* but scam stupid contracts in Jita. I will never be able to sell that account because of its history. Which is as it should be!



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Bandalon Ominus
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#118 - 2012-11-20 23:02:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Bandalon Ominus
Any of you ever thought about this theoretical situation:

Player 1 named 'Jimmy Bandit' gains a bad reputation, sells his character to Player 2, player renames it to Stuart Little.

The name 'Jimmy Bandit' is available again for new players to pick.

Player 3 creates a new account, and thinks of a nice name, he picks the name 'Jimmy bandit'

That would really mess things up!

P.S. Apart from this problem, I'd love to have the ability to change names :)
Achlys Kurvora
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#119 - 2012-11-21 03:58:52 UTC
I know that the whole "what you do is tied to your character" argument is strong here but think about it, most of the corporate screw overs and spying is just done by alts any ways. On top of that why cant we pay isk, aurum, or a plex to some criminal cartel to give us a new name and wipe our history to look like we have sat in a npc corp our whole lives, that's fairly realistic seeing how it happens in real life.

Heaven forbid you actually need to vet your new members for any extended period of time. The more I think of it the "your history is tied to your name for good reason" argument really just makes you sound like an angry old man refusing to say that change is a good thing.

But any ways go ahead and flame away I know you grumpy old men will Cool
Jake Rivers
New Planetary Order
#120 - 2012-11-21 04:16:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Jake Rivers
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.

Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile




Never do this, a bad rep earned is one that should always follow the character, no matter how many times it may 'seem' to have changed hands.

Never make it easy for someone who trashes there reputation to wipe the slate clean.

Anyone who buys a character with a trashed rep have to live with the mistake, if its too bad, just put the character up for sale and hope someone comes along to buy it that is just as foolish as you were for buying it in the first place.

There should always be a cost associated with bad deeds, and one of them is your reputation, sleep in the bed you make.

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