Warfare & Tactics

Hello Kettle. This is Pot. You're black.

Did they change plans?

There was a restricted major with bcs and t2 was allowed in minors. At least last I read

This is bollocks. Firstly, you need to have a ship which can survive the DPS long enough to get reps. Then you need to keep your logi chain alive, and unjammed by swarms of EC drones, un-damped by any Maulus' around, etc. You are relying on logi pilots who are reading their notifications window and reacting properly. If all this is satisfied, then yes, hit broadcast and wait. Otherwise, you wait for reps that don't land and you pop.

Secondly, as the logi strength decreases, and the size of your buffer decreases, the margin for error goes down. Given you have never, ever had a go at frigate RR (I can almost guarantee this) you don't have a clue about how quickly you will evaporate under even a minor amount of DPS. Hence, logi frigs are not going to blot out the sun and neither are T1 logi cruisers. Its been possible to run Ospreys and Execqurors as effective T1 logi for years, but the effectiveness has been fairly marginal at the best of times, and that won't change post-patch. Certainly not to the point of everyone blobbing up and taking logi.

AHAC gangs work well in 2010. If you want to get SRS BSNS, you up-ship to T3 armour/guardian gangs. AHACs work well vs RR BS due to sig tanking and logistics; they are hopeless vs shield nano and tier 3 sniper BCs. Given you almost never see RR BS in FW, you also rarely see real AHAC gangs - including flabbers.

In my opinion, what you will see if people rolling T1 logi cruisers because T2 logistics are too expensive to risk. On this basis alone, you will see more logi in gangs, because people can afford them if they pop - and they will.



So, you are complaining that you keep losing fights...because you are bad at picking fights and don't modify your behaviour? Then, using this apparent logic, you extrapolate this to infer that there is a massive problem with EVE and FW. Several, in fact.

You say that plexing is a game of d-scan, and everyone picks their fights according to what is on scan. Well, aside from you, who keeps losing because you can't pick a fight you can win. This is your problem, everyone else is just using the tools available in the game to pick fights they believe they can win. On this point specifically, it is thus down to pilot judgment, fitting and skill - so if you keep losing, address those first versus whine about how plexing as a mechanism is evil and broken.

There is also a lot of whining that people don't bring fights and want only ganks. Having done W-space and nullsec versus ust complained on the forums and avoided being ganked in plexes, I can tell you that this is universal throughout EVE.

A complaint that people just roll blob, well, go hunt up the Wormholes forum and see what w-space sov fights are about. Its all masses of alts, masses of blues-list batphones and you have 15 guys online, you are locked out, and 75 guys rub their sacks on your face and don't even care about the good fights, just the copious tears and the utter degradation of your corp. If its not being blobbed and skull humped, people just POS up forever, then come and blob you harder. And you are complaining about an apparent sorry state of PVP in FW?

Dudes, it is the state of PVP in EVE and if you don't like the fact you can't undock and get a thrilling fight you really ought to have FRAPSed, every time....get out of EVE and go play COD or whatever.

The truth is, more and cheaper logi will promote a smarter play style. chatgris talks of people pushing ships in odd diretions with odd fits. Well, thats one skill. Another skill is making a single logi stretch across 4 or 6 people in your gang by piloting it well. Google up the video of 2 shield curses and a lone scimi - then imagine 2 nano arbys and a Scythe. Ergo, once this stops being AFK Booster Alts online and people begin skilling themselves up not just the toons, it will be enjoyable. Just differently so.

We've done this because a) we fly ships we like to fly and b) it's been the hardest job I've ever done in EVE keeping Auga going up in control %.

Our experience is this, we ship low and we get blobbed. Now, if we ship up and get blobbed we at least have more chance of not dieing before we GTFO or can kill a few then GTFO.

You have to bare in mind that we, ILAW and Shirak are 3 of the few corps that stuck in this area and held on, took sisiede and stayed in FW through all the **** in amarr. Sure we had to base from EGG but we stuck at it against ECM thrashers, the blob and wave after wave of 5 man SFI gangs versus 1 rifter.

So it's an evolution of the front, I for example now fly a lot less blinged up ships, far less with links and I roam a lot more simply because I finally have a breather from plexing sis and Auga is usually covered at the time I play.

I'm hoping for good times ahead, amarr is starting to fill back up with people that shoot other people. I'm hoping we can stop the actual war from being so one sided. rather than just winning fights, winning the war for a while would be nice one day

We are in the golden age of FW David. Still some issues to sort out, but the changes made by CCP have motivated people to get out and fight which is the important thing.

The new ship changes are going to bring a whole new dimension to skirmish gangs and I can't wait to have fun with them.

The one thing at the moment that puzzles me is that allowing T2 cruisers in the same plex as T1 cruisers means that no one will fly T1 cruisers in those plexes unless they are stupid?

Come on CCP, give the newer players plexes where they can use skill and not have to rely on skillpoints - after all they are your subscriptions of the future. Keep T1 separate please so newer players have a chance.

Also, fix off grid boosters they just stop so many fights from happening these days.

Station lockout is a pain, BUT it gives people motivation to fight, even against the odds, even if it means just delaying the enemy until the next TZ logs in to help. If you want to take a system, then you need to work against an enemy that has the defensive advantage - that is why people work so hard to keep a system. Nothing stops you putting up a POS in system to supply reships.

A quick look at the killboard shows the Amarr actually winning if you count killmails: http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=1285

Maybe the station lockout is benefiting them?

Anyway, fun times are here, many thanks to Agony and SORE who have killed me repeatedly over the last couple days whilst I tried to disrupt the Lamaa plexing.

Actually it same what are rules in FW. Same people can always adapt and win. There will not be such changes where bad players comes better than good players.

But no one will fight because one side is fighting for big isk and other side just role play FW.

If it is about isk war, why are you on loser side when you can always join winners with alt and grind isk without effort?

Only reason why systems might change owners is when all militias decide that it is time to grind other militia LP for better income.

When CCP brings their newest changes people will play FW for some time, but then they start to think greedy and stop fighting.

And i think CCP will not touch FW after next patch for several years.

Let me post a little test for an after patch possible scenario:

You are plexing lone somewere in a medium with your zealot (brawler fit) you scan a slasher, omen and an auguror at your plexe's gate.
how do you think you will react?

a) stay and fight
b) run
c) warp out, call some friend, form a gang accordingly with the enemy fleet, and back to fight
d) other

Actually I am happy with the current percent of fights that I win or lose. But after this patch I won't be able to afford that percent of loses, so I will have to modify my behavior. I will need to be more risk adverse. So will others. This will mean less frequent pvp.

You seem content with mechanics that will make everyone even more risk adverse in eve. I think it makes for a boring game.

Hello, My name is condor. I can tackle anything forever. Kthxbai.

We had a similar problem when there were dramiels in every minor - until they got a nerf and destroyers and frigates got a buff. Now they are just exagerating the problem in 3 ways. 1) the button is closer so you have to be hitting the dscan like an ocd case or you will need to bring the top ship. 2) they are making it so there are even a wider variety of expensive ships that can come gank you. 3) the timer roll back(which starts counting back anytime you leave the plex even if an enemy is not even on grid or at the accel gate) means that if you are not flying the most expensive ship you will likely find allot of your time is wasted in plexing.