Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Whyyyy in gods name did they take an underpowered alphafleet into a wormhole urrrrggghhhh.

So u get shut down in my thread so u make your own. I could just cross post all the say things and debunk you here as well u know.

Removing local without a proper alternative would just be a bad idea in general.

There is none yet. Tough challenge to develop any before removing a mechanic that has been there since day 1.

Sociable, no one ever talks on it except the blobs when they sit in a system and spout crap and post links.

It is more an ego thing than anything sociable but if it is in delayed mode you could still do that.

I've had plenty of nice chats in local and even formed a few ad-hoc fleets using it. I've even chatted up the gankers that roam through, and they are always quite boastful of their kills. Turning all that into an empty window that not only doesn't tell me my friends are there, but even asking there is a security liability, would be a shame.

This is a pretty surprising turn of events frankly.

The issue is how you argue your stance. You're using a straw man argument to appeal to fear and it's not working. In fact it's making your posts just wasted space on the internet and people's time trying to read through by an addition of white noise to what could be a good discussion.

If you wanna contribute, at least do so with some substance. Otherwise you feable attempts at ad nauseam statements are rather tiresome.

In EVE's current state and how we've all grown accustomed to local, it's not an intelligent idea to remove it, but you argue that it is. You'd disrupt the game too much and anyone with any sense of intellect realizes this. I'm not against it's removal, I'm against it's removal without a viable system in place that WORKS before removing it.

So, my idea is a step in the right direction, but you have to have valid reasons to remove it before you do and you also need to be able to state the arguments for both sides before doing such a drastic measure to accomplish a goal, for which, you still haven't stated other than 'currently it's too easy'. This may be correct, but if you remove it, you lose the safety net of the people who do depend on it. By it's absolute removal in the game's current state, you would in effect also frighten off many pilots who have grown to depend on it. While I am appealing to probability, it's an outcome easily predicted.

My argument for it's change is based off the simple fact that I hate going on roams to where it is far too simple for the 'roaches' to scatter. I'd like a chance to catch people, but with local's current state, it's next to impossible with anyone who is attentive. Now, if you break down the changes in null sec over the past two years and the influx of easy isk into empire, anyone who is risk averse has migrated to greener pastures where the population of easy targets who don't pay attention has dwindled. This stance can be seen all over the forums where vast swaths of null sec are currently vacant. The value isn't there in the first place and people who typically do pay attention remain in null.

It gets worse, with the change of security status effecting the value of systems in terms of ratting right now, it has pushed people into pockets of space where they install alts on the pipes leading in to serve as personal intel beacons.

That said, theoretically removing it wouldn't matter as people would find ways to get the intel they need in order to safeguard their ratting holes. However, once again, you'd be weeding out more of the risk averse and leaving behind the industrious who take extra steps to protect themselves. This would in turn further make finding prey in null more of a challenge and make small gang pvp even less fun.

Hence, removing it is a dumb idea. However, I do agree it's too easy which is why I ask for at least a Paused™ local.

if you really think someone can't find you without you knowing about it then youre in for a rude awakening if you ever do visit WHs.

the differences between a automatic, system wide local channel showing everyone in system at any range, regardless of cloaking or being docked, and a 14au limited, manually activated dscan which shows only ships in range, in space and not cloaked, should be pretty obvious to a 4 year old so if you think about it real hard, you may figure it out.

or he just warps to the anom youre running without ever dropping probes.
or he's extremely dedicated to stealth and finds you by making triangulating mid warp BMs till he eventually lands on grid with your 'unprobable' T3 without probes.
or he waits for you at a WH he knows youre eventually going to jump through.
or he sets up a cloaked HIC trap 100k off a WH he knows youre going to check with your scout when you log in and waits for 8 hours for you to do so, pods your covops and gets to pop the carrier you no longer have a pilot for in system as a result.

believing you cannot be caught by surprise tends to be a very costly learning experience in WHs.